Corporations are more important than you.

macgyver06
macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
edited February 2008 in A Moving Train
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/13/fisa.bush/index.html


can you believe the senate is ok with this?

i like how they say.. if at&t is getting billion dollar lawsuits against them (BECAUSE ITS INVASION OF PRIVACY!!!) how can we expect them to help america...


IS AMERICA SUDDENLY A PERSON??


what the fuck
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    "The intelligence community doesn't have the facilities to carry out the kind of international surveillance needed to defend this country since 9/11," Vice President Dick Cheney told the Heritage Foundation last week. "In some situations, there is no alternative to seeking assistance from the private sector. This is entirely appropriate."

    i like this one!


    what a concept dick... you have no control over terrorist attacks...welcome to reality! its been present for thousands of years!
  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    macgyver06 wrote:
    "The intelligence community doesn't have the facilities to carry out the kind of international surveillance needed to defend this country since 9/11," Vice President Dick Cheney told the Heritage Foundation last week. "In some situations, there is no alternative to seeking assistance from the private sector. This is entirely appropriate."

    i like this one!


    what a concept dick... you have no control over terrorist attacks...welcome to reality! its been present for thousands of years!

    as long as they get warrants through fisa....

    oh yeah that's right, we have to trust them that they're not spying on us.
  • yellowsnowbetter
    yellowsnowbetter Posts: 12
    corporations + capitalism = cannabilism on a societal scale
  • SnowRider
    SnowRider Posts: 55
    Its ALWAYS all about the money.
    Here is one view point

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  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    yellowsnowbetter wrote:
    corporations + capitalism = cannabilism on a societal scale

    Nice quote. :D

    I try not to get too paranoid, but all this listening in crap bugs the hell out of me. Sure, it's supposed to be for catching terrorists, but how soon after a conversation I have with somebody expressing my desire for a house or a car am I going to receive an offer for just that thing. Ya think it'll come to that?
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    Nice quote. :D

    I try not to get too paranoid, but all this listening in crap bugs the hell out of me. Sure, it's supposed to be for catching terrorists, but how soon after a conversation I have with somebody expressing my desire for a house or a car am I going to receive an offer for just that thing. Ya think it'll come to that?


    wow never thought about that...however... im under teh understanding that the new dodger stadium is gonna have smart advertisements.. when you walk to get a hot dog... something magnetic in your credit card works with these smart ads and displays digital ads that are geared to your spending preferences..


    my condolences porn purchaser.
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Just watch the doc "The Corporation" it spells it out even for those who don't want to understand or believe.
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    even flow? wrote:
    Just watch the doc "The Corporation" it spells it out even for those who don't want to understand or believe.


    Love that documentary.

    I'm suspicious of anybody going on and on about a product around me. ;)
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  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    macgyver06 wrote:
    wow never thought about that...however... im under teh understanding that the new dodger stadium is gonna have smart advertisements.. when you walk to get a hot dog... something magnetic in your credit card works with these smart ads and displays digital ads that are geared to your spending preferences..


    my condolences porn purchaser.

    Totally! :o

    There are places that I like to keep certain views and such under the radar. I do not need these fucking advertisements goading me into philosophical discussions (rude arguments) regarding the beliefs represented by my purchases.

    Here's a good four letter word: CASH
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  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    macgyver06 wrote:
    wow never thought about that...however... im under teh understanding that the new dodger stadium is gonna have smart advertisements.. when you walk to get a hot dog... something magnetic in your credit card works with these smart ads and displays digital ads that are geared to your spending preferences..


    my condolences porn purchaser.


    If this were to happen, I would probably purposely purchase porn JUST so I could see some adds when I walk to get a hot dog. I think it'd be hilarious.
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    Nice quote. :D

    I try not to get too paranoid, but all this listening in crap bugs the hell out of me. Sure, it's supposed to be for catching terrorists, but how soon after a conversation I have with somebody expressing my desire for a house or a car am I going to receive an offer for just that thing. Ya think it'll come to that?

    Not to mention if you state your disgust with the the way the government does things they might decide to consider you a terrorist as well. That'd be scary if that started to happen.
  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    Not to mention if you state your disgust with the the way the government does things they might decide to consider you a terrorist as well. That'd be scary if that started to happen.

    I do that all of the time. Plus I have Ralph Nader and ALF support (technically ALF is still pending) on my Myspace. I probably have an FBI file. ;)
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  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    I just started a corporation in Canada (me the CFO baby!!!....lol...but true)...and needless to say it was a no-brainer (as compared to a partnership)....the liability protection alone makes it worth-it.....not much to add but I can understand the strength of corporations....
  • Indifference
    Indifference Posts: 2,778
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    I just started a corporation in Canada (me the CFO baby!!!....lol...but true)...and needless to say it was a no-brainer (as compared to a partnership)....the liability protection alone makes it worth-it.....not much to add but I can understand the strength of corporations....

    Not sure how Canada law works but a strength of partnerships/LLC in the states is the ability to avoid double taxation that exists with corporations.

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  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Indifference wrote:
    Not sure how Canada law works but a strength of partnerships/LLC in the states is the ability to avoid double taxation that exists with corporations.

    Yeah but I can get around the double taxation.....legally (well to a monetary point)....but overall if I was a partnership my taxes (at the highest bracket) with provincial/federal would be 46% (or near but it is the mid 40's) for every dollar over $180,000....fuck that BS....rather build up corporation....and take out quartly dividends (tax free up to a decent value...then taxed relatively fairly after that) and aslo take advantage of the Small Business Tax Deduction (my corporation only pays 11% up to $400,000...which I believe is increasing next year to $500,000 or $450,000). Plus me and fiance are majority share-holders therefore "enhancing" profits by splitting the income....

    I did all the math incorporating was without a doubt the best way for us to go.....
  • redsdisease
    redsdisease Posts: 147
    It's really pretty scary. Nobody who has any political power is willing to do anything about this because they get their funding from these same corporations.
    Jimmy Carter has disco fever.
  • 1970RR
    1970RR Posts: 281
    From the article: "If these companies are subjected to lawsuits that could cost them billions of dollars, they won't participate. They won't help us. They won't help protect America," he said. "Liability protection is critical to securing the private sector's cooperation with our intelligence efforts.""

    Translation: they wont help us break the law any more

    If what they were doing was legal, there would be no need for immunity.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    1970RR wrote:
    From the article: "If these companies are subjected to lawsuits that could cost them billions of dollars, they won't participate. They won't help us. They won't help protect America," he said. "Liability protection is critical to securing the private sector's cooperation with our intelligence efforts.""

    Translation: they wont help us break the law any more

    If what they were doing was legal, there would be no need for immunity.


    exactly right... The people that somehow got elected in this country (media) are using corporations to perform illegal acts. and now these corporations are being pardoned... welcome to 2007 the president just doesnt have the power to pardon individuals. George W. Bush is making history... pardoning entire corporations.

    THE PEOPLE DONT HAVE THE POWER.
  • redsdisease
    redsdisease Posts: 147
    macgyver06 wrote:
    THE PEOPLE DONT HAVE THE POWER.
    We will never get any power if we are just waiting for politicians and corporations to let us have theirs. We're going to have to take it.
    Jimmy Carter has disco fever.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    redsdisease wrote:
    We will never get any power if we are just waiting for politicians and corporations to let us have theirs. We're going to have to take it.


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