Whats your breaking point?

macgyver06

and by that i mean


At what point would you leave your own country? What would it take?


Some people feel strongly about civil liberties being taken away... some people disagree with war to the point where they want to get as far away as possible.. some people lose their entire families to the military...some people get false imprisoned... some people get imprisoned for minor violations of a law they didnt understand in the first place (its ever changing... are you up to date on what you can do?)...some people are just crazy conspiracy theorists and think they are being followed so they have no choice but to flee... some shame their political position they've held and are almost forced to move..


these are examples.... but the question is

What would it take for you to leave??

macgyver06

defending your house and family from your own government is an option!

SilverSeed

Certainly another draft would have me heading to Canada. I don't see that happening in the near future, but if we went into Iran I would definitely pay closer attention to things.

I don't think anything else could get me out, unless a lot of liberties started going away. And I don't see the neocons having much more success...

boxwine_in_hell

If I could get a comparable salary in Europe, I'd move there in a second.

genie

being an outlaw in my own country

anyway i don't have a breaking point, i've got travelling streak

KosmicJelli

Been broken for a long time... I thought moving to noman's land with other socially enlightened people would help... but now looking to move to Italy. God! US is a shithole lately!

South of Seattle

Mike Huckabee

macgyver06

South of Seattle wrote:

Mike Huckabee

Pegasus

Already have

which is just as well because when the fucking idiots back home voted a fucking facist to the second round, that would have sent me packing anyway (ok he then lost 80-20..still a 5th of the morons voted for him!)...and they dare say they didn't see it coming, fuck that, I did and I hadn't been living there for 5 years!!

sorry, I had to vent that one. that said, the facist in question is probably less far right than some of your mainstream republicans :rolleyes:

blackredyellow

Even with all of this crap going on, day to day life really hasn't changed for me.. the economy sucks and gas is expensive, but for the most part, my life is the same. I still have to work and support my family... I come home to my wife, son and dog every day, and we don't need for anything. Something very drastic and unprecedented, like the gov't declaring martial law on cities or whatever, would have to happened for me to pack up and leave.

macgyver06 wrote:

defending your house and family from your own government is an option!

If I was single, I would probably stay and fight or whatever, but not with a family, I wouldn't hesitate to move somewhere if our safety or livelihood was at risk. They are more important to me than my country.

That's not to say that I would never move for other reasons... I love this country, but I would move somewhere else if it was a better opportunity.

melodious

SilverSeed wrote:

Certainly another draft would have me heading to Canada. I don't see that happening in the near future, but if we went into Iran I would definitely pay closer attention to things.

I don't think anything else could get me out, unless a lot of liberties started going away. And I don't see the neocons having much more success...

make certain you don't have even a misdemeanor on your background or else they will tell you to go HOME...

Byrnzie

KosmicJelli wrote:

Been broken for a long time... I thought moving to noman's land with other socially enlightened people would help... but now looking to move to Italy. God! US is a shithole lately!

Italy's a really nice country. Still, there are parts of the U.S just as attractive. You're not all rednecks.

Byrnzie

South of Seattle wrote:

Mike Huckabee

I'm not from the U.S but if that Jesus freak got voted in I'd emigrate to the moon.

melodious

Byrnzie, it's so wonderful to see humans from other parts of the world take an interest in the center-stage of the U.S. thank you....

It's such a shame to watch "those" who deem beloved je'sus as token...almost like two parents using a child as a pawn in divorce or power control tactics...

It's almost like total confusion...people wanna do right and really believe in their causes, but most people don't really pay mind to intrincities...

Byrnzie

melodious wrote:

It's such a shame to watch "those" who deem beloved je'sus as token...almost like two parents using a child as a pawn in divorce or power control tactics...

Well, yeah, I've never really thought of these people as being in any way 'religious', in the proper sense of the word. People living privileged lives, going to Church every Sunday to sing songs and to to slap their thighs, and who are only too happy to paint the face of Jesus, or of 'God', onto whichever colonial enterprise happens to be occuring in their country's name at the time, don't strike me as being particularly saintly, or enlightened.

melodious

hi ya Byrnzie

well if we go any further in this particular facet of this conversation we may as well join a choir...;)...however, the qualities you speak of

People living privileged lives, going to Church every Sunday to sing songs and to to slap their thighs

are part of their status quo...What gets me is when someone finds God, ie religion or cult, that he/she throws evrything away...ie, astrology books, friends who don't join the zealot train, or any other activity that is deemed as sin, in the eyes of an organized church...this always confused me...why would god want me to give up what i like...?

i mean if i like something that may not go along with a majority does this activity make me bad...and if we are to recognized god as everything, then is not the bad part of the good?

for instance; i have a friend who claims she is enlightened...and she is a nice person, overall, but she started having problems in many areas of her life (raising a teenager) and so she gave her self up and found she has been "saved"...

a mutual friend was leaving town and the local business people got together and organized a pot luck...and another friend of mine organized everybody; however, our community is small, and to rent a hall for the occassion seemed a bit outlandish...financially strapping, and this woman was invited...

after all the lovely deeds the departing friend had done for her, she didn't attend the festivities...

later i asked her why and she says, "well you had the party in a bar, and i can't go to a bar..." i could see that as much as i admire this person; her godliness is still attached to an unreasonable source..


myself: i do not drink and i seek spirituality...

i don't care for bars; but it wouldn't stop me from visiting a friend who may work at one or have other business..

i held resistance about going myself, even though this friend who was leaving has done me a moutain of favors; and even in a sense has thrown money over my fence..i knew i would be bored at someplace where i stand out like a sore thumb; but i went anyway; i figured i could read my books and be a designated driver if need be..... i thought to myself, " my goodness, didn't je'sus go into the abyss or sesspool of life? how can a person of god be so discriminating...."

Dogman3

Draft.

melodious

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Draft

brain of c

i'd leave for.......one billion dollars.

Byrnzie

melodious wrote:

and if we are to recognize god as everything, then is not the bad part of the good?

In the eyes of some this is the case. I like reading the gnostic gospels as they seem to hold more truth than the orthodox books. Like 'The Gospel of Thomas' for instance...
3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

melodious wrote:

after all the lovely deeds the departing friend had done for her, she didn't attend the festivities...

later i asked her why and she says, "well you had the party in a bar, and i can't go to a bar..." i could see that as much as i admire this person; her godliness is still attached to an unreasonable source..

...i thought to myself, " my goodness, didn't je'sus go into the abyss or sesspool of life? how can a person of god be so discriminating...."

Yeah, I've met people like that. They seem to have lost sight of what's right in front of them.

rvp

macgyver06 wrote:

and by that i mean


At what point would you leave your own country? What would it take?


Some people feel strongly about civil liberties being taken away... some people disagree with war to the point where they want to get as far away as possible.. some people lose their entire families to the military...some people get false imprisoned... some people get imprisoned for minor violations of a law they didnt understand in the first place (its ever changing... are you up to date on what you can do?)...some people are just crazy conspiracy theorists and think they are being followed so they have no choice but to flee... some shame their political position they've held and are almost forced to move..


these are examples.... but the question is

What would it take for you to leave??

all those things happen or happened at my country...
I yet don't understand what the f*ck am I doing here!!!