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Mike Gravel

macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
edited June 2007 in A Moving Train
didnt this guy filibuster for 5 months to end the draft back in the 70's

you know... all of those democrats and republicans running for president could have done the same to prevent the war....


they didnt.
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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    i was even more impressed with him than kucinich in the first debate, but in the latest debate he kinda was a disappointment. He still brought the fire, and attacked the corporate democrat party. But he raised his hand when asked if he would assassinate Osama even if it resulted in innocent civilians being killed. Kucinich was the only candidate to say he would not assassinate Osama
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    i was even more impressed with him than kucinich in the first debate, but in the latest debate he kinda was a disappointment. He still brought the fire, and attacked the corporate democrat party. But he raised his hand when asked if he would assassinate Osama even if it resulted in innocent civilians being killed. Kucinich was the only candidate to say he would not assassinate Osama

    Yep, and I'm glad for that.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Yep, and I'm glad for that.

    You're glad that all the others would kill innocent people?
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    Collin wrote:
    You're glad that all the others would kill innocent people?

    How many innocent people are we talking about? ;)

    Yep, that's exactly what I am glad for spin, spin....

    I'm glad that there are people that will make some very difficult calls in order to save many more lives. Which I believe taking out Bin Laden would do.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    cincybearcat wrote:
    How many innocent people are we talking about? ;)

    Two American families ;)
    Yep, that's exactly what I am glad for spin, spin....

    spin the black circle...
    I'm glad that there are people that will make some very difficult calls in order to save many more lives. Which I believe taking out Bin Laden would do.

    We're not going to agree on this...
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  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    it didn't seem like Gravel got to say as much in the 2nd debate as he did in the 1st.

    not that it's much of a debate.

    you rarely see the candidates actually engage with each other. they mostly answer questions posed to them by the moderator. questions from the audience are a good thing, but I'm assuming the questions are screened first. i'd like to see the candidates ask questions of each other.

    i mean, ever read the Lincoln/Douglass debates? we're a far cry from those days.



    as for my opinion of Gravel. OK, he's a little rough around the edges. i would prefer him to be a little less erratic. but what the fuck - he's the best guy out there. he's unscripted. he knows his shit. he understands what needs to be done. he seems to be genuinely fed up with the status quo and feels he has to change it. i tend to think the position of President attracts only attracts corrupt individuals. Gravel is the rare case of someone who really wants to shake up the system. his national initative idea would put a much greater check on Federal power than anything that currently exists. not to mention his plan to abolish the IRS and establish the Fair Tax.

    this debate format doesn't work too well for him. he's much more compelling when giving longer speeches. look him up on YouTube - there's severals vids of him there.

    one thing that stuck out at me during the last debate is that although he's very honest about his distaste for the policies of the other candidates (except Kucinich, who he hasn't mentioned yet, but probably doesn't have any issues with), he seems willing to work with them. he seems to delight in his position as their elder. I liked how he said he would appoint Bill Clinton as a roving ambassador, but only "under supervision" :D.

    I also found it interesting that he was the only candidate who thought English should be our "official language". it actually makes me wonder if he knew the difference between "official" and "national" in this case. i have to say I wasn't aware there was a difference. i read that a solid majority of hispanics (and even solider majority of the general population) supported making English our official language. i think we either all have to be bilingual (taught to be fluent in english and spanish in grade school) or have only one language. but i do realize this is very complicated given the demographics, particularly in the southwest.
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