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Income tax - Illegal

HANKTHELANKHANKTHELANK Posts: 89
edited February 2007 in A Moving Train
how many people out there realize that the income tax is illegal? Do you consider people who do not pay this tax based on it's illegality to be "Un-American"?
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    There's nothing illegal about the income tax. There are many things immoral about the income tax.
  • HANKTHELANKHANKTHELANK Posts: 89
    then why has the supreme court in numberous cases ruled that it is an illegal form of taxation?
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    HANKTHELANK wrote:
    then why has the supreme court in numberous cases ruled that it is an illegal form of taxation?

    becos those cases were all decided before 1900 and were later over-ruled. the income tax is constitutional and the supreme court has held that to be the case on a number of occasions.
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    HANKTHELANK wrote:
    then why has the supreme court in numberous cases ruled that it is an illegal form of taxation?

    I don't believe they have. I believe the Supreme Court has upheld the federal income tax via the Sixteenth Amendment (and previous to it) numerous times. The power to tax is directly provided within the original constitution.
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Nice try, you cheap bastard.

    Looks like someone has a couple years worth of back taxes to start paying.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Nice try, you cheap bastard.

    Looks like someone has a couple years worth of back taxes to start paying.

    The "cheap bastards" are the ones collecting tax, not the ones who wish to evaluate its worth or legality.
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    farfromglorified wrote:
    The "cheap bastards" are the ones collecting tax, not the ones who wish to evaluate its worth or legality.

    I was just being humorous.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I was just being humorous.

    Fair enough. My bad.
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Well it "was" illegal but that's been taken care of via the 16th amendment.

    The lovely idea of withholding that came about during WW2 just made it easier to cover up.

    Most people have no clue what they actually earn, simply what they "take home."

    There are better more out in the open ways to fund the federal government, that's for damn sure, but for politicians, the way we do it is pretty damned nice.
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  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    HANKTHELANK wrote:
    then why has the supreme court in numberous cases ruled that it is an illegal form of taxation?

    since when??? I'm pretty sure SCOTUS have NEVER ruled federal income tax illegal. If you can cite specifict case law, I'd be interested. Otherwise, all these tax deniers are just crackpots looking for a quick trip to the federal pen.
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    soulsinging wrote:
    becos those cases were all decided before 1900 and were later over-ruled. the income tax is constitutional and the supreme court has held that to be the case on a number of occasions.

    income tax started in the 1930's and was suppose to be temporary. if i get a slow minute i'll look for a link. income tax is illegal but but as with everything in law; there's a loophole. i try not to pay taxes so i don't give it much thought.
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    onelongsong wrote:
    income tax started in the 1930's and was suppose to be temporary. if i get a slow minute i'll look for a link. income tax is illegal but but as with everything in law; there's a loophole. i try not to pay taxes so i don't give it much thought.

    The income tax was not supposed to be temporary. Withholding was meant to be temporary. Milton Friedman is a traitor.
  • trappedinmyradiotrappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    empty statements - give me citations - you bare the burden here...CASE LAW...it's easy...go find it.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    empty statements - give me citations - you bare the burden here...CASE LAW...it's easy...go find it.

    im not going to be tested on this and dont give a flying fuck whether or not you all believe me. so no, i wont ;)
  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    soulsinging wrote:
    im not going to be tested on this and dont give a flying fuck whether or not you all believe me. so no, i wont ;)

    Your kind never do. Because you can't.

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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    godpt3 wrote:
    Your kind never do. Because you can't.

    You're nothing but a squirrel.

    my kind? you mean law students? sorry, im digging through case law on title ix sexual harassment and covering the president's executive power as mandated by the constitution. we did taxing and spending power about 3 weeks ago. but i simply dont have time to waste on educating some dumbass online who can't be bothered to do the research for himself and would ignore it even if i handed it to him. what authority do you base your statements on?
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    soulsinging wrote:
    but i simply dont have time to waste on educating some dumbass online who can't be bothered to do the research for himself and would ignore it even if i handed it to him. what authority do you base your statements on?
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    this may be a dumb comment -- I really don't know -- but if tax doesn't come from your paycheck then it will come from some other area, so in the end you're going to pay our government for things like roads, health care, public works, and a military.

    So what is the issue here? Our tax system is fairly progressive and equitable at the least, even though it has become more regressive during the Bush years. And income and sales (to an extent, too much sales tax obviously can slow down an economy) taxes I think are the best way to tax people, since everyone produces and consumes you are taxing everyone. When you tax people for things like property it becomes unequitable, since not everyone owns property (although you can make the argument that people who own property also can afford to pay taxes and accumulate more wealth than people who don't own property).

    But really, don't beat me up, I don't have any experience in tax policy... I'm just stating what I believe to be common sense.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Someone has to pay for them B-2s.
    ...
    and Kevlar helmets and flak jackets.
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  • HANKTHELANKHANKTHELANK Posts: 89
    income tax does not pay for any public services. All it does is pay on the interest that is being accumulated on the national debt.
  • HANKTHELANKHANKTHELANK Posts: 89
    Roads get payed for by the tax built into the price on gasoline. 42cents per gallon.

    Schools are payed for by property tax.

    In all there are hundreds of forms of taxation. The income tax is just one.

    Coincidentally started at the time that the Federal Reserve was started.
  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    HANKTHELANK wrote:
    income tax does not pay for any public services. All it does is pay on the interest that is being accumulated on the national debt.

    And what purpose does the money fuelling the national debt fill?
    I'm not really savvy on american taxes, but some of your foreign policies are extremely costly :
    the war in iraq
    aid given to some countries (such as Israel, Egypt for example)
    upholding american interest on worlwide issues, economic or politic
    etc.
    All these activities are supposed to be made in the interest of american people and are expensive, someone has to pay for that.
  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    HANKTHELANK wrote:
    Schools are payed for by property tax.

    Schools are paid for by property tax in Illinois and Michigan, all this does is screw the farmers who own 98% of the land but aren't rich by any means and only have 2% of the kids in schools. In other states schools are funded mostly by income and sales taxes, and somewhat by property taxes.
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  • 1970RR1970RR Posts: 281
    he still stands wrote:
    Schools are paid for by property tax in Illinois and Michigan, all this does is screw the farmers who own 98% of the land but aren't rich by any means and only have 2% of the kids in schools. In other states schools are funded mostly by income and sales taxes, and somewhat by property taxes.
    Pennsylvania schools are funded primarily by property taxes
  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    1970RR wrote:
    Pennsylvania schools are funded primarily by property taxes

    you're right... 40% by state and 60% by local property taxes.

    but in Illinois and Missouri (not Michigan) its about 90% local property taxes.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    angelica wrote:
    Yeah, I know. That's what I say to myself when you call me out on my stats and theories. ;) How's reading the 10 minute Ken Wilber article I sent two weeks back coming along, by the way?! ;)

    that isnt gonna happen until spring break ;) like i said, my time is at a premium these days. most of your stats im just curious about, not so much challenging. im rarely demanding proof, more idle curiosity.
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