It's time for a new party

Pearl Jam and toast

farfromglorified wrote:

Of them??? They're simply doing what the American public is asking them to do.

hahhhhaah.

they're so far disconnected from reality it's actually hard to believe that it's come to this.

i'm pretty sure that was sarcasm, but i thought i'd add that anyway

Pearl Jam and toast

Karas wrote:

I think it is safe to say that if there were a PJ party, most of us would vote for it...But since there is not, we find our votes spread amongst a group of Parties. We all want similar results, but are spreading our strength between, Dems, Green, Liberatarian, etc. etc.

I voted green the past two presidential elections. Actually I had a write in vote Nader/Camejo last election, I dont think he ran under Green Party. Virginia didnt have green anyway, I dont think.

If the green party had a backbone and a worthy candidate they might stand a chance.

With all due respect, you helped hand the republicans the last 2 elections.

messymarv

One saying Bush sucks I have no issue with someone voicing that opinion but please dont insult me by saying anything else out there is any better. If we are lucky there maybe,maybe that is a few decent politicians left in D.C. With the exception be this Iraq War All other complaints about Bush are universial to just about every single politician in Washington, hell everywhere. They are there cause they are rich or they lied. Personally, and I believe someone touch on this i am tired of finger point being the only thing getting accomplished in our capitol. Fact is our government has gone astray and it didnt happen just with Bush it has been a steady downfall for many of years. I applaud voice of opinions on Bush sucks but while your jumping on the bandwagon no one is holding any of the other idiots accountable for their actions or inactions. When another President gets elected the opposite party will finger point at them get a bandwagon going saying they suck so no one will pay attention to another four years of our elected officials doing nothing.

know1

Karas wrote:

I think it is safe to say that if there were a PJ party, most of us would vote for it...But since there is not, we find our votes spread amongst a group of Parties. We all want similar results, but are spreading our strength between, Dems, Green, Liberatarian, etc. etc.

I voted green the past two presidential elections. Actually I had a write in vote Nader/Camejo last election, I dont think he ran under Green Party. Virginia didnt have green anyway, I dont think.

I wouldn't vote for the Pearl Jam party, but I would vote for them to play at the inauguration...

1970RR

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

If the green party had a backbone and a worthy candidate they might stand a chance.

With all due respect, you helped hand the republicans the last 2 elections.

Its exactly this sort of thinking that maintains the two party monopoly.

slambooie

nm

farfromglorified

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

hahhhhaah.

they're so far disconnected from reality it's actually hard to believe that it's come to this.

i'm pretty sure that was sarcasm, but i thought i'd add that anyway

It really wasn't sarcasm.

brain of c

jeffbr wrote:

Vote Libertarian.

http://www.lp.org

and get me a pizza.

BrinkofForever

know1 wrote:

Well...there's another one I can't vote for....

That's a rather minor subject to base one's vote on. Don't you think?

BrinkofForever

farfromglorified wrote:

Of them??? They're simply doing what the American public is asking them to do.

They don't serve the people. They serve themselves and whoever shovels money into their pockets. Get real.

jamestr1

Brink wrote:

They don't serve the people. They serve themselves and whoever shovels money into their pockets. Get real.

Amen, er, damn straight!

I'm for removing the funding from politics. Give them all the same amount, the same TV time, the same touring schedule, and access to the people. Then see what happens. Let us hear them all debate.

Also, we need run off voting. So if one candidate doesn't receive 50%, we toss out the candidate with the lowest votes and go to the second choice of those that voted for him.

Oh, and I'm for any candidate who get's PJ to play at the inaguration.

farfromglorified

Brink wrote:

They don't serve the people. They serve themselves and whoever shovels money into their pockets. Get real.

But the people now get more money and services from their government than ever. Many of the people are turning into moochers and their politicians are quite representative of them.

BrinkofForever

farfromglorified wrote:

But the people now get more money and services from their government than ever. Many of the people are turning into moochers and their politicians are quite representative of them.

Good point, but corporate america is just as guilty of both mooching and manipulating. Who has more swing.. a welfare recipient or a lobbyist with the coal consortium?

farfromglorified

Brink wrote:

Good point, but corporate america is just as guilty of both mooching and manipulating.

Very much so!!!

Who has more swing.. a welfare recipient or a lobbyist with the coal consortium?

Are we reducing politics to a measure of "swing"?

fife

in case anyone is wondering what the libertatriam believe is pretty much old school Rep. they believe that the governemnt should stay out of people businness and should only handle a small amount of topics. so they would stated that teh government should not sponsor abortion but they would leave abortion to the public demand.

PJfanwillneverleave1

bump to see how much has changed in American views since this thread since an election is coming

Last-12-Exit

DPrival78 said:

i agree that we need new choices, but under the current system, money talks.. and no corporate lobbyists are going to contribute funds to any 3rd party candidates - or at least not nearly enough to compete with the dems/repubs that they already have in their pockets.



without any drastic campaign finance reform, nothing is going to change.



and also, with the way our elections go (non-auditable, highly munipulatable, computer voting), 'we the people' are no longer choosing our so-called representatives.



our first move is to realize and accept that we do not live in a democracy any more. the next move would be to decide what to do about it.

Nice way to dig up a 10 year old thread. But this I agree with wholeheartedly. Cap campaign spending to $1,000,000 for the entire election cycle for ALL candidates. If you blow it in the primaries, then you're fucked for the general election.

Allow all parties access to the nationally televised debates. The Dems, the Reps, the Indies, the Teas, the Green, the Libbys, the grass rooters, the guy off the street that wants to pay the fee. Let's hear what they have to say.

Lastly, and it's a biggie: One, 6 year term only for presidents.

hedonist

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

bump to see how much has changed in American views since this thread since an election is coming

...in 18 or so months.

I'm SO not looking forward to all of the posturing to come within / via the media.

Bombardment of dirt flung!

(one of the nice things about no longer having a landline is also no longer getting all of those political endorsement calls...or do they do that on cells now too?)

jeffbr

Blast from the past. A 10 year old thread - and nothing has really changed. 2 major parties putting up shitty candidates whose votes are up for auction to the highest bidders. I see another election where I wish there was a "None of the above" choice. Something has to be done to cut through all of the party politics and bullshit that has made it impossible for anyone with morals or guiding principles to become a candidate for national office. If you don't toe the line for your party (as screwed up as your party's platform might be), you don't get nominated. Pander to the extremes of each party to gain the nomination, then switch it up and pander to the middle for the election.

josevolution

The one thing that has changed is many posters on this thread are gone ...