Anyone notice a trend?

UKDave

Jackhammer wrote:

well, if it's left on its own, it'll *again* lead to oppresion of the minority by the majority.

Capitalism DEFINITLY don't work.

None of the recognised "systems" work because people always find a way around them or to corrupt them, it's human nature, not the system...

sponger

UKDave wrote:

None of the recognised "systems" work because people always find a way around them or to corrupt them, it's human nature, not the system...

Now there's a stmt that I cannot disagree with.

sponger

Jackhammer wrote:

well, if it's left on its own, it'll *again* lead to oppresion of the minority by the majority.

Capitalism DEFINITLY don't work.

I think you mean to say oppression of the majority by the minority.

Vedderlution_Baby

Just because you're within your definition of "progress" don't mean you're ahead.

Jackhammer

edited, cause posted in the wrong place

Abuskedti

UKDave wrote:

None of the recognised "systems" work because people always find a way around them or to corrupt them, it's human nature, not the system...

this I agree with. which is why we need constant improvement.. constant analysis and adjustment.. which is why religious conservatism is a curse.

We can do it, if we are not afraid to work at it.. but we ARE afraid of losing some of what we got.. which is why we are letting the whole crash.

Jackhammer

Agree.

Maybe we should start working on a super computer which could rule us?

Hmmmm... on ssecond tought, nope

UKDave

Abuskedti wrote:

this I agree with. which is why we need constant improvement.. constant analysis and adjustment.. which is why religious conservatism is a curse.

We can do it, if we are not afraid to work at it.. but we ARE afraid of losing some of what we got.. which is why we are letting the whole crash.

For me it's about ownership, the sooner we accept the problems of the world are created by ourselves and our imperfections the sooner we'll come with some improvements...

And yeah IMHO religion of any form is not the answer...

Jackhammer

Hum, after looking at the recent election results in a bunch of european countries, it seems people are more willing to blame their neightboors for all what's going wrong in the world rather than blame themselves and get to work to work together for a better future.

Hmmm I almost sounds like a hippie this way ^^

UKDave

Jackhammer wrote:

Hum, after looking at the recent election results in a bunch of european countries, it seems people are more willing to blame their neightboors for all what's going wrong in the world rather than blame themselves and get to work to work together for a better future.

Hmmm I almost sounds like a hippie this way ^^

Yeah it does Imagine...

Oh and why the comment on europe?? that seems a bit strange? it's endemic, it's everywhere... :eek:

Jackhammer

I just meant, the few results I heard recently were coming from a few european countries

Still, I can't help but be scared by the degree of nationalism we've reached in certain countries (all over the world)

UKDave

Jackhammer wrote:

I just meant, the few results I heard recently were coming from a few european countries

Still, I can't help but be scared by the degree of nationalism we've reached in certain countries (all over the world)

Yep, scary :eek: part of the blame culture though...

It's not our fault so it must be someone else's.... :rolleyes:

Jackhammer

I guess...

But I don't get it. People don't seem to understand that everytime a country went down that way, it ended up in the worst fashion.

There should be a way to live in a world of peace...

(sounds like a hippie again )

UKDave

Jackhammer wrote:

I guess...

But I don't get it. People don't seem to understand that everytime a country went down that way, it ended up in the worst fashion.

There should be a way to live in a world of peace...

(sounds like a hippie again )

Should be but again human nature dictates that people will abuse whatever situation to their own gain and fuck it up... the best we can hope for is to minimise it wherever possible, nirvana is a pipe dream, literally

Jackhammer

yes, it's scary...

But I'm not really sure it's the only explanation. If systems fail just because we are humans and therefor not perfect, it implies that we are doing wrong things without explanations. But there is a concerted effort from all kind of govs to keep things like they are.

I'm afraid it's more like, people in charge do not want things to change, and if it changes, it's only to balance things one way or another.

There are rich countries because there are poor countries. See what I mean?

UKDave

Jackhammer wrote:

yes, it's scary...

But I'm not really sure it's the only explanation. If systems fail just because we are humans and therefor not perfect, it implies that we are doing wrong things without explanations. But there is a concerted effort from all kind of govs to keep things like they are.

I'm afraid it's more like, people in charge do not want things to change, and if it changes, it's only to balance things one way or another.

There are rich countries because there are poor countries. See what I mean?

I agree, I'm not saying we shouldn't try because getting half way or two thirds is better than not trying at all, just saying we need to be realistic because it will never be perfect...

Jackhammer

I agree. Besides, it's the only way to live.

Things won't ever be perfect, but they can get a whole lot better.

I don't know. Maybe I'm too sensitive. Feeling bad about the world and such...
But then again, giving up is the last thing to do.

UKDave

Jackhammer wrote:

I agree. Besides, it's the only way to live.

Things won't ever be perfect, but they can get a whole lot better.

I don't know. Maybe I'm too sensitive. Feeling bad about the world and such...
But then again, giving up is the last thing to do.

No the world is a pretty shitty place but there's only one species to blame for that and only one can put it right, so let's freaking get on with it!!!!

Jackhammer

hehe it's good to see there are people ready to go that way, but since we're the only one posting here right now, I don't know if it's a good sign

UKDave

Hmmm

Think we've lost them?