Petition to protest Israeli assault on Mohammed Omer

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Get Ready for Eddy wrote:

first of all, 1,168 israelis have died in terrorist attacks since 2000.

First of all, I'm talking about since 2003, not 2000, and second of all, i'm talking about suicide bombings in particular, NOT terrorist attacks in general. thirdly, I don't like to bring up death counts, but if you think 1,168 is a big number, take a look at Palestinian civilian deaths, as well as Lebanese. Oh, and I'm not 100% sure, but I think 1,168 also include israeli SOLDIERS.

second of all, i guess you mean you've been to the REGION of palestine because it's not an actual COUNTRY. so i know you're lying about that.

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this just did it for me. I'm Palestinian, and if I choose to refer to going there as "going to Palestine" and NOT "going to Israel" then I'll do so without you calling me a liar. thanks.

also, you're allowed to go into malls, clubs, and do "thousands" of fun things when you're palestinian as well...trust me, i've actually BEEN THERE BEFORE. everyone, including israelis, old ladies, and young children get searched when entering malls. wtf kind of an argument is "On the other hand, the Palestinians are lucky if the Israelis are nice enough to provide them food, medicine, and electricity."? food, medicine, and electricity are based off of where you live, not you're religion/race. there are hungry israelis on the streets too.

Oh, you've BEEN THERE. you're probably the ONLY AMERICAN to EVER have gone there. it's completely IMPOSSIBLE for ANYONE ELSE to know ANYTHING about the situation in Palestine and Israel, and your opinion is ALMIGHTY because you've BEEN THERE.

have you ever heard of the occupied territories? Ever heard of Gaza? 1.5 million people there are currently living in some of the worst conditions in the world.... and, coincidentally, they're Palestinian... but that has NOTHING to do with it. All those power cuts, shortages in food and medicine, etc... that's not cause they're Palestinian... that's cause they're terrorists... or is it the same thing?

Israelis and Palestinians do NOT have the same living standard. don't even bother with that nonsensical excuse of an argument.

trust me man, you are not educated on the situation over in israel...

I'll take your word for it.

fuck

Get Ready for Eddy wrote:

kind of how you're justifying terrorists blowing themselves up in the middle of large crowds?

I didn't. it's a completely different situation for them. Like I said, it's been a trend throughout history. when a people are being occupied and have no other means, they use guerrilla warfare.

except that israel has never had a citizen of their country strap a bomb onto themselves and run into the muslim marketplace.

why would they? their army takes care of it for them with hi-tech weaponry.

i can promise you that israeil soldiers would not shoot a missle at lebanon and then hide in a crowd of israeli civilians.

Israeli soldiers use airplanes when they bombed Lebanon. Why would they bother running into crowds?

fuck

Get Ready for Eddy wrote:

earlier in the threat outlaw said that israelis are just civilian murderers

HAHAHA, where the HELL did you get that from?!

that's what i was referring to. and yes i believe they would be because they've been fighting terrorist attacks and their neighboring countries since 1948 so the only difference now is that they have funding from the United States to better protect themselves

by 'better protect themselves' do you mean kill more people?

fuck

Get Ready for Eddy wrote:

Israel is surrounded by Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Egypt. They've defeated all of those countries in war in the past (all of which have been defensive wars). Just because the US gives them money doesn't mean they're going to invade these countries.

Not defensive wars, but that's another story altogether. Israel has been completely aggressive in their actions.

fuck

Get Ready for Eddy wrote:

i guess you mean you've been to the REGION of palestine because it's not an actual COUNTRY. so i know you're lying about that.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/country

as far as I know, Palestine fits the definition of a country. it has an elected government, citizens, etc..... just cause the Western powers refuse to recognize it, does NOT mean I can't call it a country.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Get Ready for Eddy wrote:

o, and wtf? running into a crowd of women is the only option left to the terrorist militiamen? how about not putting women and children at risk and surrendering? i guess it's acceptable because israel doesn't give them thousands of fun things to do

Should the Irish have just surrendered after Bloody Sunday? Geurilla warfare is by no means pretty, but it's sometimes the only option available to countries who've been under a very brutal thumb for years, decades, or in Ireland's case, centuries.

canadajammer

Everyone needs to do their research from real and qualified sources before they post all this crap on this board.

"Information Clearing House" is not quite the reliable source.




Calling Israeli's child killers is so ridiculous. Go do some research and look up the rights and privileges people enjoy in Israel (whether they are Jewish, Muslim or Christian) and compare those to countries in the surrounding region. Take a look at the medical progress that Israel has made which has led to the saving of many lives. Surely a country as blood thirsty as many of you claim Israel to be would be to occupied with 'killing children' to possibly develop so much incredible technology.

Surely a country as bloodthirsty as Israel would not have returned the Sinai region to Egypt for a peace treaty document. Of course the Sinai region is bigger than Israel itself, and Israel won Sinai from Egypt during a way they were defending themselves in. (Even if they were the aggresors, which they weren't, normally in history a country actually keeps the land they win in a war!!!).

Now just because Israel is backed by the USA, doesn't make their actions any better or any worse. Now just because in previous years, the development of a self-sustaining Palestinian society was not at the top of the PLO agenda, doesn't make Israel's actions now any better or any worse.

Look at both sides of the situation. Sympathize for numerous Palestinians who live in poverty at no fault of their own. But be sure to truly understand the entire situation from both sides before you place all the blame solely on Israel's shoulders, when their are clearly other reasons why Palestinians live in rough conditions.

Everyone hates seeing civilians die. But could you imagine how many more innocents would die if Israel didn't carefully target to the best of their ability specific homes/locations. If Israel carried out their attacks in the same fashion as the Americans in Iraq, there would be way more deaths. Just look up the figures to see for yourself.

El_Kabong

Get Ready for Eddy wrote:

i can promise you that israeil soldiers would not shoot a missle at lebanon and then hide in a crowd of israeli civilians. and

no you can't

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-71337437.html

Dateline: GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip An Israeli helicopter fired a missile at an apartment building in Gaza City early Tuesday, witnesses said, killing a Palestinian and wounding two others

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/10/world/middleeast/10cnd-mideast.html?pagewanted=print

Chiyah, a poor Shia area two miles from the center of Beirut, has been bombed or shelled several times. More than 40 people died on Monday after an apartment building, which Israel said housed Hezbollah leaders, was bombed at dinner time.


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E02E7D71E39F933A15757C0A960958260

But members of the delegation said that the Israeli authorities had given the Red Cross only enough time to make a few short stops before leaving Nabatiye, where an Israeli rocket attack on Thursday leveled an apartment building and left 11 people dead, including a 4-day-old child.


http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/06/11/Child_dies_in_Israeli_air_strike_in_Gaza/UPI-69411213186786/

Child dies in Israeli air strike in Gaza....but the missile missed its mark, striking a yard where the child and mother were

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/08/AR2006110800518.html

'Shells Kept Falling' On Gaza Apartment, Killing 17 in Family.....Palestinian health officials said 20 civilians were killed, 17 of them from Islam's extended family. At least seven of the dead were children asleep at the time of the blasts, which left heavy jagged shrapnel on rooftops and in living rooms More than 60 people were wounded, including Islam's 5-year-old sister, Israh, and 3-year-old brother, Mohammed, who tossed in a hospital bed here with thickly bandaged legs, crying for his wounded mother. Islam's father, two grandparents, an uncle and many cousins were among the dead.


http://edition.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/meast/10/08/mideast.violence/index.html

Israeli military blows up Palestinian apartments....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120213,00.html

RAFAH, Gaza Strip — Under heavy cover fire from helicopters, Israeli troops combed this refugee camp for weapons and gunmen Tuesday in the biggest Gaza (search) offensive in years. Twenty Palestinians were killed, including two teenagers shot as they gathered laundry....Last week, Israel destroyed about 100 houses, making more than 1,000 Palestinians homeless.....In all, 19 Palestinians in Rafah were killed by Israeli fire -- 10 in two missile strikes, and nine by machine-gun fire, said Dr. Moawiya Hassanain, a Palestinian Health Ministry official. A 20th man was killed while handling explosives.

Israel said both missile strikes, including one outside a mosque, were aimed at gunmen.......Palestinian ambulance drivers reported coming under fire, and Hassanain said several ambulances were unable to evacuate the wounded.


http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/11/mideast/index.html

Israel fires rocket at car in Gaza City....

Byrnzie

Get Ready for Eddy wrote:

look at the big picture before you go calling people child killers

They are child killers. And there's ample evidence to prove it.


Israel Kills Some More Children
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=41424
'Like Tamer, other children are dying, and their mothers' dreams with them. A six-month infant named Mohammed al-Bourai was killed when an Israeli missile crashed into the house Wednesday this week, moments after he'd been fed. The family house happens to be close to the offices of Gaza's ministry of interior, and to the house of de facto Gaza Prime Minister Ismail Hanyieh.

The same day, three other Palestinian children were killed in an air strike. The following day, four Palestinian children were killed near the Jabaliya refugee camp while playing soccer. Two of the boys, all aged 7 to 14, were from the same family. A child's body was found in eastern Gaza, a victim of Israeli shelling.'

Israel kills 34 kids in Qana
http://www.counterpunch.org/fisk07312006.html

Palestinian Children Killed by Israel - 2004
http://ifamericansknew.org/stats/child_41304.html
'The Israeli occupation army and paramilitary Jewish settlers have killed 545 Palestinian children and minors since the outbreak of the al-Aqsa Intifada in September 2000.

Among these victims, 266 children were 14 or younger while the ages of the remaining 279 ranged from 15 to 18. Moreover, as many as 20,000 Palestinian children were injured, with nearly 1500 sustaining life-long disabilities.

The total number of Palestinians killed by Israel during the current Intifada is around 2700, the vast majority of them civilians.'

Israel targets civilians and UN personnel with impunity
By Jean Shaoul
12 December 2002
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/dec2002/isra-d12.shtml

Israeli air barrage kills children playing football - 2008
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/israeli-air-barrage-kills-children-playing-football-1302288.html

Byrnzie

Colorsblending9 wrote:

Everyone needs to do their research from real and qualified sources before they post all this crap on this board.

"Information Clearing House" is not quite the reliable source.

And you need to open your eyes before you post on this board. The article was reprinted from an article in the Guardian, as you would have seen if you'd read it.

Colorsblending9 wrote:

Calling Israeli's child killers is so ridiculous.

Everyone hates seeing civilians die. But could you imagine how many more innocents would die if Israel didn't carefully target to the best of their ability specific homes/locations. If Israel carried out their attacks in the same fashion as the Americans in Iraq, there would be way more deaths. Just look up the figures to see for yourself.

Why don't you try looking at the facts?
You can begin with the factual record as documented by various human rights organizations such as 'Human rights watch', and 'Amnesty' which both conclude that Israel is guilty of war crimes in it's deliberate targeting of civilians.

Byrnzie

Get Ready for Eddy wrote:

oh, and that little girl was killed after:

"Earlier Saturday, a senior commander in the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigade militant group was killed and two of his bodyguards were wounded when the car they were riding in was hit in Gaza City by an Israeli airstrike, Palestinian security sources told CNN."

Like i said, tragic, but it wasn't like he went and shot a little girl to test his sniper rifle...

also:

"Also Friday, Palestinian militants who had been in a firefight with Israeli soldiers escaped, many of them slipping away in a crowd of women who had come to join what had begun as a standoff."

slipping into a crowd of women? that's very noble and heroic right?

cited: http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/04/mideast/index.html

How does any of this even remotely justify the murder of the 10 year old girl?

Edit: and it wasn't a sniper rifle. It was an automatic rifle, and he shot at her from close range.

Byrnzie

Get Ready for Eddy wrote:

first of all, 1,168 israelis have died in terrorist attacks since 2000. second of all, i guess you mean you've been to the REGION of palestine because it's not an actual COUNTRY. so i know you're lying about that.

also, you're allowed to go into malls, clubs, and do "thousands" of fun things when you're palestinian as well...trust me, i've actually BEEN THERE BEFORE. everyone, including israelis, old ladies, and young children get searched when entering malls. wtf kind of an argument is "On the other hand, the Palestinians are lucky if the Israelis are nice enough to provide them food, medicine, and electricity."? food, medicine, and electricity are based off of where you live, not you're religion/race. there are hungry israelis on the streets too.

trust me man, you are not educated on the situation over in israel...

Trust me man, the fact that you may or may not have BEEN TO ISRAEL doesn't mean shit.
Did you spend any time in the occupied territories? No.

Byrnzie

Get Ready for Eddy wrote:

kind of how you're justifying terrorists blowing themselves up in the middle of large crowds? except that israel has never had a citizen of their country strap a bomb onto themselves and run into the muslim marketplace. not that they should--it's awful. nor should they kill civilians, but that's what fucking happens when you shoot a missle at a bunch of soldiers and then hide in a crowd of women and children to try and hide.

i can promise you that israeil soldiers would not shoot a missle at lebanon and then hide in a crowd of israeli civilians. and you know what the headline would be if they did:

"israeli soldier shoots missle at lebanese border and hides in a crowd of women and children". now you see the other side of the argument, it's not as black and white as "a bunch of psychopaths killing innocent civilians"

Israeli's don't need to blow themselves up. They have other options, such as the 2nd largest fleet of F16's in the world. Kind of makes resorting to suicide bombings redundant.

Why doesn't Israel get out of the illegally occupied territories?

Byrnzie

Get Ready for Eddy wrote:

look at the big picture before you go calling people child killers

O.k, I will:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/06/israel
Israeli soldiers tell of indiscriminate killings by army and a culture of impunity

Whistleblowers' testimony shows desire for revenge on Palestinians

* Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv
* The Guardian,
* Tuesday September 6, 2005

'In recent months dozens of soldiers, including the son of an an Israeli general, all recently discharged, have come forward to share their stories of how they were ordered in briefings to shoot to kill unarmed people without fear of reprimand.

The soldiers were brought into contact with the Guardian with the assistance of Breaking the Silence, a pressure group of former soldiers who want the Israeli public to confront the reality of army activities. The group insisted on anonymity of its witnesses to protect the soldiers from persecution and prosecution...

..Before the operation, the soldiers were briefed that they were on the lookout for armed men. But their targets also included children and teenagers who habitually climbed on armoured personnel carriers as they lumbered through the narrow streets. On a few occasions, machine guns had been stolen from APCs.

"We were expressly told that we were just waiting for someone to climb on an APC, and ordered to shoot to kill," said Moshe. "After a day or two, a 12-year-old climbed on one of the APCs. There were a lot of guesses about his age. First they said he was eight, later that he was 12. In any case, he climbed on an APC, and one of our sharpshooters killed him. The neighbouring company also had an incident with a kid or teenager who was killed."

The statistics collected by the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group show that on May 14, Diya Gawadreh, 13, was killed by a live bullet. Kamal Amjad Nawahda, 13, was shot by Israeli soldiers on May 22. He died on May 27.

After Moshe returned to his paratroop unit, he said there were several incidents when children and teenagers were killed after bullets aimed at their legs hit their chests. The attitude was, he said, "so kids got killed. For a soldier it means nothing. An officer can get a 100 or 200 shekel [£12.50-£25] fine for such a thing."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/06/israel1
Israeli troops say they were given shoot-to-kill order

* Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv
* The Guardian,
* Tuesday September 6, 2005


Israeli military prosecutors have opened criminal investigations following allegations by soldiers that they carried out illegal shoot-to-kill orders against unarmed Palestinians.

The 17 separate investigations were prompted by the testimony of dozens of troops collected by Breaking the Silence, a pressure group of former Israeli soldiers committed to exposing human rights abuses by the military in suppressing the Palestinian intifada. The investigations cover a range of allegations, including misuse of weapons and other misuses of power.

Some of the soldiers, who also spoke to the Guardian, say they acted on standing orders in some parts of the Palestinian territories to open fire on people regardless of whether they were armed or not, or posed any physical threat.

The soldiers say that in some situations they were ordered to shoot anyone who appeared on a roof or a balcony, anyone who appeared to be kneeling to the ground or anyone who appeared on the street at a designated time. Among those killed by soldiers acting on the orders were young children.

While the background to the soldiers' experience is the armed conflict that has been going on in the West Bank and Gaza Strip since October 2000, many of the shootings occurred in periods of calm when there was no immediate risk to the soldiers involved.

Yehuda Shaul, the co-founder of Breaking the Silence, said it aimed to show that individual soldiers were not to blame for killings of innocent Palestinians. "It is the situation which is to blame and that is created by military and political leaders, not the soldiers on the ground," he said.

The testimonies shed light on how around 1,700 Palestinian civilians have been killed during the second intifada.'

Byrnzie

Wednesday, 9 July 2008 17:58 UK

Israel 'soft' on settler attacks

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7497874.stm
'Nine out of 10 investigations into alleged attacks on Palestinians by Israeli settlers end without anyone being charged, a rights group says.

The Israeli group Yesh Din says of 163 cases that it looked at only 13 ended with assailants being indicted.

Israeli police disputed the findings, but admitted just 15% of cases in the West Bank in 2007 ended in a charge.

There are frequent reports of settlers harassing Palestinians, with two attacks recently captured on video.

The police questioned Yesh Din's methodology, focussing on a selected group of cases over a number of years. The group countered, saying this was because the police did not publish comprehensive breakdowns.

Yesh Din says police rarely visit crime scenes, often failed to collect witness testimonies and statements from suspects, and hardly ever arrange identity parades.

It also says that sometimes suspects' alibis were not checked out, according to case files which it examined.

The group said the cases included alleged assaults on Palestinians, seizure of their land, damaging trees, crops or agricultural equipment, arson and theft.

A spokesman for Israel's West Bank police force told AP news agency that there were 195 investigations last year, resulting in 30 indictments, giving about a 50% higher success rate than the Yesh Din findings.

Two Israelis from Susia settlement were recently arrested over an assault of Palestinians that was filmed as part of a human rights project.

They were held for two days before being released to house arrest, police say, and charges have yet to be filed.

Israel occupied the West Bank in the 1967 war and has planted hundreds of thousands of its citizens in heavily guarded settlements there.

Israeli human rights groups have long accused the authorities of showing little interest in punishing Israeli civilians who harass Palestinians and say only a small proportion of cases are ever reported.

An Israeli police spokesman told the BBC their priorities in the West Bank are to deal with terrorism against Israelis as well as criminal and public order offences, and resources are allocated accordingly.'

ajedigecko

polaris wrote:

how do you live with yourself when your "job" is to shoot defenceless children?

"easy, just don't lead them as much"

bunny from platoon

war is ugly.

fuck

I love how every thread ends with Byrnzie's posts. I guess people just can't argue when someone posts facts.... :rolleyes:

Byrnzie

_outlaw wrote:

I love how every thread ends with Byrnzie's posts. I guess people just can't argue when someone posts facts.... :rolleyes:

Don't encourage 'em! They always manage to come back with some half-assed, half-truth, or just plain bullshit, to keep their end up.