"Earlier Saturday, a senior commander in the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigade militant group was killed and two of his bodyguards were wounded when the car they were riding in was hit in Gaza City by an Israeli airstrike, Palestinian security sources told CNN."
Like i said, tragic, but it wasn't like he went and shot a little girl to test his sniper rifle...
also:
"Also Friday, Palestinian militants who had been in a firefight with Israeli soldiers escaped, many of them slipping away in a crowd of women who had come to join what had begun as a standoff."
slipping into a crowd of women? that's very noble and heroic right?
first of all, 1,168 israelis have died in terrorist attacks since 2000. second of all, i guess you mean you've been to the REGION of palestine because it's not an actual COUNTRY. so i know you're lying about that.
also, you're allowed to go into malls, clubs, and do "thousands" of fun things when you're palestinian as well...trust me, i've actually BEEN THERE BEFORE. everyone, including israelis, old ladies, and young children get searched when entering malls. wtf kind of an argument is "On the other hand, the Palestinians are lucky if the Israelis are nice enough to provide them food, medicine, and electricity."? food, medicine, and electricity are based off of where you live, not you're religion/race. there are hungry israelis on the streets too.
trust me man, you are not educated on the situation over in israel...
Trust me man, the fact that you may or may not have BEEN TO ISRAEL doesn't mean shit.
Did you spend any time in the occupied territories? No.
kind of how you're justifying terrorists blowing themselves up in the middle of large crowds? except that israel has never had a citizen of their country strap a bomb onto themselves and run into the muslim marketplace. not that they should--it's awful. nor should they kill civilians, but that's what fucking happens when you shoot a missle at a bunch of soldiers and then hide in a crowd of women and children to try and hide.
i can promise you that israeil soldiers would not shoot a missle at lebanon and then hide in a crowd of israeli civilians. and you know what the headline would be if they did:
"israeli soldier shoots missle at lebanese border and hides in a crowd of women and children". now you see the other side of the argument, it's not as black and white as "a bunch of psychopaths killing innocent civilians"
Israeli's don't need to blow themselves up. They have other options, such as the 2nd largest fleet of F16's in the world. Kind of makes resorting to suicide bombings redundant.
Why doesn't Israel get out of the illegally occupied territories?
Whistleblowers' testimony shows desire for revenge on Palestinians
* Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv
* The Guardian,
* Tuesday September 6, 2005
'In recent months dozens of soldiers, including the son of an an Israeli general, all recently discharged, have come forward to share their stories of how they were ordered in briefings to shoot to kill unarmed people without fear of reprimand.
The soldiers were brought into contact with the Guardian with the assistance of Breaking the Silence, a pressure group of former soldiers who want the Israeli public to confront the reality of army activities. The group insisted on anonymity of its witnesses to protect the soldiers from persecution and prosecution...
..Before the operation, the soldiers were briefed that they were on the lookout for armed men. But their targets also included children and teenagers who habitually climbed on armoured personnel carriers as they lumbered through the narrow streets. On a few occasions, machine guns had been stolen from APCs.
"We were expressly told that we were just waiting for someone to climb on an APC, and ordered to shoot to kill," said Moshe. "After a day or two, a 12-year-old climbed on one of the APCs. There were a lot of guesses about his age. First they said he was eight, later that he was 12. In any case, he climbed on an APC, and one of our sharpshooters killed him. The neighbouring company also had an incident with a kid or teenager who was killed."
The statistics collected by the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group show that on May 14, Diya Gawadreh, 13, was killed by a live bullet. Kamal Amjad Nawahda, 13, was shot by Israeli soldiers on May 22. He died on May 27.
After Moshe returned to his paratroop unit, he said there were several incidents when children and teenagers were killed after bullets aimed at their legs hit their chests. The attitude was, he said, "so kids got killed. For a soldier it means nothing. An officer can get a 100 or 200 shekel [£12.50-£25] fine for such a thing."
* Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv
* The Guardian,
* Tuesday September 6, 2005
Israeli military prosecutors have opened criminal investigations following allegations by soldiers that they carried out illegal shoot-to-kill orders against unarmed Palestinians.
The 17 separate investigations were prompted by the testimony of dozens of troops collected by Breaking the Silence, a pressure group of former Israeli soldiers committed to exposing human rights abuses by the military in suppressing the Palestinian intifada. The investigations cover a range of allegations, including misuse of weapons and other misuses of power.
Some of the soldiers, who also spoke to the Guardian, say they acted on standing orders in some parts of the Palestinian territories to open fire on people regardless of whether they were armed or not, or posed any physical threat.
The soldiers say that in some situations they were ordered to shoot anyone who appeared on a roof or a balcony, anyone who appeared to be kneeling to the ground or anyone who appeared on the street at a designated time. Among those killed by soldiers acting on the orders were young children.
While the background to the soldiers' experience is the armed conflict that has been going on in the West Bank and Gaza Strip since October 2000, many of the shootings occurred in periods of calm when there was no immediate risk to the soldiers involved.
Yehuda Shaul, the co-founder of Breaking the Silence, said it aimed to show that individual soldiers were not to blame for killings of innocent Palestinians. "It is the situation which is to blame and that is created by military and political leaders, not the soldiers on the ground," he said.
The testimonies shed light on how around 1,700 Palestinian civilians have been killed during the second intifada.'
The Israeli group Yesh Din says of 163 cases that it looked at only 13 ended with assailants being indicted.
Israeli police disputed the findings, but admitted just 15% of cases in the West Bank in 2007 ended in a charge.
There are frequent reports of settlers harassing Palestinians, with two attacks recently captured on video.
The police questioned Yesh Din's methodology, focussing on a selected group of cases over a number of years. The group countered, saying this was because the police did not publish comprehensive breakdowns.
Yesh Din says police rarely visit crime scenes, often failed to collect witness testimonies and statements from suspects, and hardly ever arrange identity parades.
It also says that sometimes suspects' alibis were not checked out, according to case files which it examined.
The group said the cases included alleged assaults on Palestinians, seizure of their land, damaging trees, crops or agricultural equipment, arson and theft.
A spokesman for Israel's West Bank police force told AP news agency that there were 195 investigations last year, resulting in 30 indictments, giving about a 50% higher success rate than the Yesh Din findings.
Two Israelis from Susia settlement were recently arrested over an assault of Palestinians that was filmed as part of a human rights project.
They were held for two days before being released to house arrest, police say, and charges have yet to be filed.
Israel occupied the West Bank in the 1967 war and has planted hundreds of thousands of its citizens in heavily guarded settlements there.
Israeli human rights groups have long accused the authorities of showing little interest in punishing Israeli civilians who harass Palestinians and say only a small proportion of cases are ever reported.
An Israeli police spokesman told the BBC their priorities in the West Bank are to deal with terrorism against Israelis as well as criminal and public order offences, and resources are allocated accordingly.'
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How does any of this even remotely justify the murder of the 10 year old girl?
Edit: and it wasn't a sniper rifle. It was an automatic rifle, and he shot at her from close range.
Trust me man, the fact that you may or may not have BEEN TO ISRAEL doesn't mean shit.
Did you spend any time in the occupied territories? No.
Israeli's don't need to blow themselves up. They have other options, such as the 2nd largest fleet of F16's in the world. Kind of makes resorting to suicide bombings redundant.
Why doesn't Israel get out of the illegally occupied territories?
O.k, I will:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/06/israel
Israeli soldiers tell of indiscriminate killings by army and a culture of impunity
Whistleblowers' testimony shows desire for revenge on Palestinians
* Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv
* The Guardian,
* Tuesday September 6, 2005
'In recent months dozens of soldiers, including the son of an an Israeli general, all recently discharged, have come forward to share their stories of how they were ordered in briefings to shoot to kill unarmed people without fear of reprimand.
The soldiers were brought into contact with the Guardian with the assistance of Breaking the Silence, a pressure group of former soldiers who want the Israeli public to confront the reality of army activities. The group insisted on anonymity of its witnesses to protect the soldiers from persecution and prosecution...
..Before the operation, the soldiers were briefed that they were on the lookout for armed men. But their targets also included children and teenagers who habitually climbed on armoured personnel carriers as they lumbered through the narrow streets. On a few occasions, machine guns had been stolen from APCs.
"We were expressly told that we were just waiting for someone to climb on an APC, and ordered to shoot to kill," said Moshe. "After a day or two, a 12-year-old climbed on one of the APCs. There were a lot of guesses about his age. First they said he was eight, later that he was 12. In any case, he climbed on an APC, and one of our sharpshooters killed him. The neighbouring company also had an incident with a kid or teenager who was killed."
The statistics collected by the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group show that on May 14, Diya Gawadreh, 13, was killed by a live bullet. Kamal Amjad Nawahda, 13, was shot by Israeli soldiers on May 22. He died on May 27.
After Moshe returned to his paratroop unit, he said there were several incidents when children and teenagers were killed after bullets aimed at their legs hit their chests. The attitude was, he said, "so kids got killed. For a soldier it means nothing. An officer can get a 100 or 200 shekel [£12.50-£25] fine for such a thing."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/06/israel1
Israeli troops say they were given shoot-to-kill order
* Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv
* The Guardian,
* Tuesday September 6, 2005
Israeli military prosecutors have opened criminal investigations following allegations by soldiers that they carried out illegal shoot-to-kill orders against unarmed Palestinians.
The 17 separate investigations were prompted by the testimony of dozens of troops collected by Breaking the Silence, a pressure group of former Israeli soldiers committed to exposing human rights abuses by the military in suppressing the Palestinian intifada. The investigations cover a range of allegations, including misuse of weapons and other misuses of power.
Some of the soldiers, who also spoke to the Guardian, say they acted on standing orders in some parts of the Palestinian territories to open fire on people regardless of whether they were armed or not, or posed any physical threat.
The soldiers say that in some situations they were ordered to shoot anyone who appeared on a roof or a balcony, anyone who appeared to be kneeling to the ground or anyone who appeared on the street at a designated time. Among those killed by soldiers acting on the orders were young children.
While the background to the soldiers' experience is the armed conflict that has been going on in the West Bank and Gaza Strip since October 2000, many of the shootings occurred in periods of calm when there was no immediate risk to the soldiers involved.
Yehuda Shaul, the co-founder of Breaking the Silence, said it aimed to show that individual soldiers were not to blame for killings of innocent Palestinians. "It is the situation which is to blame and that is created by military and political leaders, not the soldiers on the ground," he said.
The testimonies shed light on how around 1,700 Palestinian civilians have been killed during the second intifada.'
Israel 'soft' on settler attacks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7497874.stm
'Nine out of 10 investigations into alleged attacks on Palestinians by Israeli settlers end without anyone being charged, a rights group says.
The Israeli group Yesh Din says of 163 cases that it looked at only 13 ended with assailants being indicted.
Israeli police disputed the findings, but admitted just 15% of cases in the West Bank in 2007 ended in a charge.
There are frequent reports of settlers harassing Palestinians, with two attacks recently captured on video.
The police questioned Yesh Din's methodology, focussing on a selected group of cases over a number of years. The group countered, saying this was because the police did not publish comprehensive breakdowns.
Yesh Din says police rarely visit crime scenes, often failed to collect witness testimonies and statements from suspects, and hardly ever arrange identity parades.
It also says that sometimes suspects' alibis were not checked out, according to case files which it examined.
The group said the cases included alleged assaults on Palestinians, seizure of their land, damaging trees, crops or agricultural equipment, arson and theft.
A spokesman for Israel's West Bank police force told AP news agency that there were 195 investigations last year, resulting in 30 indictments, giving about a 50% higher success rate than the Yesh Din findings.
Two Israelis from Susia settlement were recently arrested over an assault of Palestinians that was filmed as part of a human rights project.
They were held for two days before being released to house arrest, police say, and charges have yet to be filed.
Israel occupied the West Bank in the 1967 war and has planted hundreds of thousands of its citizens in heavily guarded settlements there.
Israeli human rights groups have long accused the authorities of showing little interest in punishing Israeli civilians who harass Palestinians and say only a small proportion of cases are ever reported.
An Israeli police spokesman told the BBC their priorities in the West Bank are to deal with terrorism against Israelis as well as criminal and public order offences, and resources are allocated accordingly.'
bunny from platoon
war is ugly.
Don't encourage 'em! They always manage to come back with some half-assed, half-truth, or just plain bullshit, to keep their end up.