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freindlyfired
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Originally Posted by unsung
I only have one question to these so called "protesters" aka vandals.
Why don't you morons nut up and uncover your faces? Time for some mass arrests.
Because they are police plants... happened in NYC 04. The police plant officers to loot and burn, then of course its monkey see monkey do and all hell breaks loose. All they need is 1 or 2 to start it and then they walk away. Its works out great because then they have an excuse to spray, beat and arrest non violent protestors.
Its a weird evolution: it started to be accepted to cover your entire face when the police began to film and take pictures of faces in order to log them into databases for the use of face recognition. Once protestors started to cover their faces the police came up with the idea to send their own in (dressed as a protestor all covered up) to monitor the situation/protest. Then it went even further, once they had enough of the protests they could send in their plant to throw something or burn something so they can move in.
Its not all that ingenius but it works.
Check this...
In the months leading up to the Republican National Convention, the FBI-led Minneapolis Joint Terrorist Task Force actively recruited people to infiltrate vegan groups and other leftist organizations and report back about their activities. On May 21, the Minneapolis City Pages ran a recruiting story called "Moles Wanted." Law enforcement sought to preempt lawful protest against the policies of the Bush administration during the convention.
Since Friday, local police and sheriffs, working with the FBI, conducted preemptive searches, seizures and arrests. Glenn Greenwald described the targeting of protestors by "teams of 25-30 officers in riot gear, with semi-automatic weapons drawn, entering homes of those suspected of planning protests, handcuffing and forcing them to lay on the floor, while law enforcement officers searched the homes, seizing computers, journals, and political pamphlets." Journalists were detained at gunpoint and lawyers representing detainees were handcuffed at the scene.
"I was personally present and saw officers with riot gear and assault rifles, pump action shotguns," said Bruce Nestor, the President of the Minnesota chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, who is representing several of the protestors. "The neighbor of one of the houses had a gun pointed in her face when she walked out on her back porch to see what was going on. There were children in all of these houses, and children were held at gunpoint."
The raids targeted members of "Food Not Bombs," an anti-war, anti-authoritarian protest group that provides free vegetarian meals every week in hundreds of cities all over the world. They served meals to rescue workers at the World Trade Center after 9/11 and to nearly 20 communities in the Gulf region following Hurricane Katrina.
Also targeted were members of I-Witness Video, a media watchdog group that monitors the police to protect civil liberties. The group worked with the National Lawyers Guild to gain the dismissal of charges or acquittals of about 400 of the 1,800 who were arrested during the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York. Preemptive policing was used at that time as well. Police infiltrated protest groups in advance of the convention.
Nestor said that no violence or illegality has taken place to justify the arrests. "Seizing boxes of political literature shows the motive of these raids was political," he said.
Further evidence the political nature of the police action was the boarding up of the Convergence Center, where protestors had gathered, for unspecified code violations. St. Paul City Council member David Thune said, "Normally we only board up buildings that are vacant and ramshackle." Thune and fellow City Council member Elizabeth Glidden decried "actions that appear excessive and create an atmosphere of fear and intimidation for those who wish to exercise their first amendment rights."
"So here we have a massive assault led by Federal Government law enforcement agencies on left-wing dissidents and protestors who have committed no acts of violence or illegality whatsoever, preceded by months-long espionage efforts to track what they do," Greenwald wrote on Salon.
Preventive detention violates the Fourth Amendment, which requires that warrants be supported by probable cause. Protestors were charged with "conspiracy to commit riot," a rarely-used statute that is so vague, it is probably unconstitutional. Nestor said it "basically criminalizes political advocacy."
On Sunday, the National Lawyers Guild and Communities United Against Police Brutality filed an emergency motion requesting an injunction to prevent police from seizing video equipment and cellular phones used to document their conduct.
During Monday's demonstration, law enforcement officers used pepper spray, rubber bullets, concussion grenades and excessive force. At least 284 people were arrested, including Amy Goodman, the prominent host of Democracy Now!, as well as the show's producers, Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar. "St. Paul was the most militarized I have ever seen an American city to be," Greenwald wrote, "with troops of federal, state and local law enforcement agents marching around with riot gear, machine guns, and tear gas cannisters, shouting military chants and marching in military formations."
Bruce Nestor said the timing of the arrests was intended to stop protest activity, "to make people fearful of the protests, but also to discourage people from protesting," he told Amy Goodman. Nevertheless, 10,000 people, many opposed to the Iraq war, turned out to demonstrate on Monday. A legal team from the National Lawyers Guild has been working diligently to protect the constitutional rights of protestors.
Originally Posted by unsung
I only have one question to these so called "protesters" aka vandals.
Why don't you morons nut up and uncover your faces? Time for some mass arrests.
Because they are police plants... happened in NYC 04. The police plant officers to loot and burn, then of course its monkey see monkey do and all hell breaks loose. All they need is 1 or 2 to start it and then they walk away. Its works out great because then they have an excuse to spray, beat and arrest non violent protestors.
Its a weird evolution: it started to be accepted to cover your entire face when the police began to film and take pictures of faces in order to log them into databases for the use of face recognition. Once protestors started to cover their faces the police came up with the idea to send their own in (dressed as a protestor all covered up) to monitor the situation/protest. Then it went even further, once they had enough of the protests they could send in their plant to throw something or burn something so they can move in.
Its not all that ingenius but it works.
Check this...
In the months leading up to the Republican National Convention, the FBI-led Minneapolis Joint Terrorist Task Force actively recruited people to infiltrate vegan groups and other leftist organizations and report back about their activities. On May 21, the Minneapolis City Pages ran a recruiting story called "Moles Wanted." Law enforcement sought to preempt lawful protest against the policies of the Bush administration during the convention.
Since Friday, local police and sheriffs, working with the FBI, conducted preemptive searches, seizures and arrests. Glenn Greenwald described the targeting of protestors by "teams of 25-30 officers in riot gear, with semi-automatic weapons drawn, entering homes of those suspected of planning protests, handcuffing and forcing them to lay on the floor, while law enforcement officers searched the homes, seizing computers, journals, and political pamphlets." Journalists were detained at gunpoint and lawyers representing detainees were handcuffed at the scene.
"I was personally present and saw officers with riot gear and assault rifles, pump action shotguns," said Bruce Nestor, the President of the Minnesota chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, who is representing several of the protestors. "The neighbor of one of the houses had a gun pointed in her face when she walked out on her back porch to see what was going on. There were children in all of these houses, and children were held at gunpoint."
The raids targeted members of "Food Not Bombs," an anti-war, anti-authoritarian protest group that provides free vegetarian meals every week in hundreds of cities all over the world. They served meals to rescue workers at the World Trade Center after 9/11 and to nearly 20 communities in the Gulf region following Hurricane Katrina.
Also targeted were members of I-Witness Video, a media watchdog group that monitors the police to protect civil liberties. The group worked with the National Lawyers Guild to gain the dismissal of charges or acquittals of about 400 of the 1,800 who were arrested during the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York. Preemptive policing was used at that time as well. Police infiltrated protest groups in advance of the convention.
Nestor said that no violence or illegality has taken place to justify the arrests. "Seizing boxes of political literature shows the motive of these raids was political," he said.
Further evidence the political nature of the police action was the boarding up of the Convergence Center, where protestors had gathered, for unspecified code violations. St. Paul City Council member David Thune said, "Normally we only board up buildings that are vacant and ramshackle." Thune and fellow City Council member Elizabeth Glidden decried "actions that appear excessive and create an atmosphere of fear and intimidation for those who wish to exercise their first amendment rights."
"So here we have a massive assault led by Federal Government law enforcement agencies on left-wing dissidents and protestors who have committed no acts of violence or illegality whatsoever, preceded by months-long espionage efforts to track what they do," Greenwald wrote on Salon.
Preventive detention violates the Fourth Amendment, which requires that warrants be supported by probable cause. Protestors were charged with "conspiracy to commit riot," a rarely-used statute that is so vague, it is probably unconstitutional. Nestor said it "basically criminalizes political advocacy."
On Sunday, the National Lawyers Guild and Communities United Against Police Brutality filed an emergency motion requesting an injunction to prevent police from seizing video equipment and cellular phones used to document their conduct.
During Monday's demonstration, law enforcement officers used pepper spray, rubber bullets, concussion grenades and excessive force. At least 284 people were arrested, including Amy Goodman, the prominent host of Democracy Now!, as well as the show's producers, Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar. "St. Paul was the most militarized I have ever seen an American city to be," Greenwald wrote, "with troops of federal, state and local law enforcement agents marching around with riot gear, machine guns, and tear gas cannisters, shouting military chants and marching in military formations."
Bruce Nestor said the timing of the arrests was intended to stop protest activity, "to make people fearful of the protests, but also to discourage people from protesting," he told Amy Goodman. Nevertheless, 10,000 people, many opposed to the Iraq war, turned out to demonstrate on Monday. A legal team from the National Lawyers Guild has been working diligently to protect the constitutional rights of protestors.
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DEMOCRAT VS REPUBLICAN
LEFT VS RIGHT
BLUE VS RED
OBAMA VS MCCAIN
BIDEN VS PALIN
PRO CHOICE VS PRO LIFE
Tune out the distractions... we all on the same side.
this is an absurd theory, and has nothing to do with...
this, which doesn't surprise me in the least.
I believe the reason why it has come down to this is because Americans are pretty damn illiterate when it comes to politics.
Now... if it were SPORTS... well, we all understand sports. The object is to defeat the other team.
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The problem is... our offense is trying to destroy our defense and vice versa. That is why we will never win the Super Bowl.
When we figure this out... maybe we will become America again... instead of being Republicans and Democrats living in seperate states that make up the U.S.A.
Hail, Hail!!!
the other story is from counterpunch.org, check indymedia and salon too.
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I wonder why it never works at the Pro-Life March in DC????
LOL fucking stupid
-Enoch Powell
Still waiting for 'freindlyfired' (sic) to confirm to me that the people breaking windows two days ago were actually cops.
Whenever you confirn to me i claimed cops were actually breaking windows two days ago...
First post of this thread, when it was said right after quoting me. So now I'm asking again, were those people who were smashing windows cops?
To which I replied...
To which you replied...
Reply #5 and reply #7 of this thread
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?p=5821927#post5821927
I think the point is to make people aware that it IS par for the course, and they SHOULD be suspicious ANYtime shit like this goes down:
NY Times: 2005 protest
You think shit suddenly changed?
Like someone else said, go google COINTELPRO,
they've been doing this shit since the 60's at least.
No one has proof of this right now,
but it is important for Americans to understand that the government uses its own forces time and time again to create false violence in order to clamp down on constitutionaly protected, god given freedoms!
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
freindlyfired, (sic) are you saying the people that smashed out the windows were cops? I'll assume that they weren't because of your avoidance of this issue, even though you previously claimed that they were.
If Canada is doing it, you can bet your ass the US is as well.
edit: the correct term is "Provocateur"
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Also even if they were we go back to the old saying, if your friend jumps off a roof, do you?
OP must not have the proof to back up his claim, must just be talking out of his buttocks.
Call them and ask them...I'm sure you'll get a lightning quick answer.
As long as you are aware it has happened, does happen, and will happen again. This is fact.
and for the record it is monkey see monkey do in large crowds...absolutely.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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