Sparing Obama Criticism Isn't Doing Him (or Us) Any Favors

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    http://www.alternet.org/story/106828/sparing_obama_criticism_isn%27t_doing_him_(or_us)_any_favors/?page=entire

    "It's a natural reaction -- and certainly a commonplace media reaction at the moment -- to want to give Barack Obama a "chance." Back off those critical comments, people now say. Fair's fair. Give the President-elect a little "breathing space." After all, the election is barely over, he's not even in office, he hasn't had his first 100 days, and already the criticism has begun.

    But those who say this don't understand Washington -- or, in the case of various media figures and pundits, perhaps understand it all too well.

    Political Washington is a conspiracy -- in the original sense of the word: "to breathe the same air." In that sense, there is no air in Washington that isn't stale enough to choke a president. Send Obama there alone, give him that "breathing space," don't start demanding the quick ending of wars or anything else, and you're not doing him, or the American people, any favors. Quite the opposite, you're consigning him to suffocation.

    Leave Obama to them and he'll break your heart. If you do, then blame yourself, not him; but better than blaming anyone, pitch your own tent on the public commons and make some noise. Let him know that Washington's isn't the only consensus around, that Americans really do want our troops to come home, that we actually are looking for "change we can believe in," which would include a less weaponised, less imperial American world, based on a reinvigorated idea of defense, not aggression, and on the Constitution, not leftover Rumsfeld rules or a bogus Global War on Terror."

    the election was 11/4/08, today is 11/14/08....it's been 10 days since the election....

    do you really, honestly think Obama, as President Elect, can end the war in Irak in 10 days...?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    'Petty inconseqential personal issues towards you'. Nice. I know exactly where you are heading with that and you can fuck off.

    You are the king at personal insults. It's what you do. You get off on it. You are delusional if you can't see that. You go out of your way to fire people up. That's how you play 'your game'. Then you sit back and laugh it up.

    Hit the ignore button for me mate and i'll do the same for you. That should solve our problem.

    Ok I'll go fuck right off now thanks :rolleyes:


    I post links to ALL my sources. Kill the messenger, yes I know how the program works. Avoid the issues...attack the person. Why change now?

    I won't change anything I say about Obama until he earns it. What a novel concept.

    So far no good.

    Anyhow....hello... it's 2008... the subject US politics. It's not a fairy tale reality because of one person during an election.

    Has it ever been?

    Look at the players....be aware. Obama is not a pipe dream, there is no such thing.

    Maybe on paper...but people don't live on paper.


    edit: no actually it looks crap on paper too...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    inmytree wrote:
    the election was 11/4/08, today is 11/14/08....it's been 10 days since the election....

    do you really, honestly think Obama, as President Elect, can end the war in Irak in 10 days...?


    It'll take years.

    I'm going on the recipe he's putting together, and the cooks around him telling him how to cook.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Holding someone to their word...yeah that's wishing they fail if I ever saw it. :rolleyes:

    Enjoy your nap..

    like obamas word that he wouldn't deal w/ lobbyists then making a pharmacuetical lobbyist chair of his election campaign and then lying about it during a primary? or saying lobbyists 'wouldn't have a job' in his white house than changing to 'they won't dominate' my white house? thanks to obama the 'liberals' realize the patriot act isn't so bad and spending tax money to build new nuclear plants and toxic waste is a wonderful idea!!!!

    i can't wait to see the justifications to bomb iran
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It'll take years.

    I'm going on the recipe he's putting together, and the cooks around him telling him how to cook.


    you mean his chief of staff who supported the invasion of iraq from the start and his NAFTA/WTO lobbyist/lawyer/advisor and the advisor that asked the treasury dept to give enron a break?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    El_Kabong wrote:
    like obamas word that he wouldn't deal w/ lobbyists then making a pharmacuetical lobbyist chair of his election campaign and then lying about it during a primary? or saying lobbyists 'wouldn't have a job' in his white house than changing to 'they won't dominate' my white house? thanks to obama the 'liberals' realize the patriot act isn't so bad and spending tax money to build new nuclear plants and toxic waste is a wonderful idea!!!!

    i can't wait to see the justifications to bomb iran

    I love how politicians backpeddle. They all do it. The best case scenario is he succeeds and proves us all wrong... forgive me... I'm a realist.

    I'd be burning Ron Paul's (or whomever's) ass regardless if they merely maintained the status quo running on big "change" policy.

    In honor of all those back peddling politicians
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSx2HIi4dFg
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    El_Kabong wrote:
    you mean his chief of staff who supported the invasion of iraq from the start and his NAFTA/WTO lobbyist/lawyer/advisor and the advisor that asked the treasury dept to give enron a break?

    Yeah that guy, Enron needed a break...a jail break. Same den of thieves to pick from...and a picking Obama will go it seems.

    So far....yeah...great choices. But give them all *at least* a couple years to make good on something..somehow... or you're just some racist hater.

    Forget the past.. The past is for history....who needs history as any kind of indication? It's all on TV.

    Hey...I know...people remind me here all the time.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I love how politicians backpeddle. They all do it. The best case scenario is he succeeds and proves us all wrong... forgive me... I'm a realist.

    I'd be burning Ron Paul's (or whomever's) ass regardless if they merely maintained the status quo running on big "change" policy.

    In honor of all those back peddling politicians
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSx2HIi4dFg


    and if kucinich or nader did those things i wouldn't rationalize it. i'm not the one changing my stances i held for years suddenly...i'm holding our leader accountable for his word, they all loved it when it was directed at bush but now that it's their team i should shut up

    i've said if he sticks to his word i'd be the 1st to say 'my bad' , but it's not looking too promising
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Yeah that guy, Enron needed a break...a jail break. Same den of thieves to pick from...and a picking Obama will go it seems.

    So far....yeah...great choices. But give them all *at least* a couple years to make good on something..somehow... or you're just some racist hater.

    Forget the past.. The past is for history....who needs history as any kind of indication? It's all on TV.

    Hey...I know...people remind me here all the time.


    it's like invasion of the bodysnatchers the way they use the same lines the bush supporters used...any criticism or question is nothing but 'sour grapes', you lost, get over it....it's obvious some are enjoying their turn of being king of the hill too much to actually listen or work together
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    El_Kabong wrote:
    and if kucinich or nader did those things i wouldn't rationalize it.

    LOL. Like Nader's insider trading and investing in corporations he rails against. Unbelieveable !! LMAO !!
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    flywallyfly wrote:
    LOL. Like Nader's insider trading and investing in corporations he rails against. Unbelieveable !! LMAO !!


    whats funny is how you hold on to that

    according to flywallyfly:
    -if your consumer advocacy group is about to go after a company for freedy, harmful actions and you have stock in that company you CAN NOT get rid of it. you must keep the stoxk (and then more than likely have flywallyfly criticize you for keeping it)

    -if you invest in a 401k or a mutual fund and complain about corporations you are a hypocrite

    i'm surprised you didn't throw in 'he fired a guy for running stories w/o approval then wouldn't let the same guy start a union (which other groups of his have) AFTER he was fired

    lol
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way

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