The use of christian missionaries in the third world

RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited November 2008 in A Moving Train
Rockefeller.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-jLUlG_lRc

" In German with subtitles
You'll never see anything like this on US TV.

The "news" outlets are too afraid of offending the treasonous religious whackos here who number in the millions.

Are there "good Christians" in the US? No doubt. Many of them.

But the banner of "Christianity" is also used to provide cover for subversive and treasonous activity.

If you're interested in further research on this topic, try to find a copy of "Thy Will Be Done" by Gerard Colby.

The book shows that the Southern Baptist Convention, especially its "missionary" work in the Third World, has been heavily subsidized financially and logistically by the Rockefeller syndicate for over a century. It would not be an exaggeration to say they created and control it.

The real function of these "missionaries" is to soften up the Third World for the oil and mining companies and other members of the syndicate by turning the inhabitants into obedient "Christians" who are willing to sell out their own countrymen. They've performed this role throughout the Third World - and they're ready to do it here.

100 more years in Iraq?

These folks would just love that and then on to Iran and Pakistan too. It doesn't matter how many people are killed.

This is the madness that lives at the core of the remaining US support for the War in Iraq. "
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Ian_LIan_L Posts: 101
    Missionary says: Christians always should be interwoven - always are in a spiritual war.

    Subtitles say: We, Christians, are always in war.
  • Religion isn't the same as spirituality.



    A spiritual war is like saying a peaceful war
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  • Staceb10Staceb10 Posts: 675
    Ian_L wrote:
    Missionary says: Christians always should be interwoven - always are in a spiritual war.

    Subtitles say: We, Christians, are always in war.

    Oh you mean the subtitles don't accurately reflect what is really being said? Get outta here.
  • Ian_L wrote:
    Missionary says: Christians always should be interwoven - always are in a spiritual war.

    Subtitles say: We, Christians, are always in war.

    You speak German? Cool. Are there any other inconsistencies in the subtitling? that would be brutal.

    In any event, I think that's more or less what is going on. Start a war, create the hardship, bring in the aid as saviors, and convert them by making them dependent on you. In other words, take advantage of people when they are most vulnerable, and scared, and looking for answers.

    Here....find god.

    heavy.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. (Seneca)
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  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    [...]create the hardship, bring in the aid as saviors, and convert them by making them dependent on you. In other words, take advantage of people when they are most vulnerable, and scared, and looking for answers.
    Note that this can apply not only to any religion but also to any political party (and his actually applied by many political parties)
    edit : I'm sure Machiavelli has a chapter on this somewhere
  • eyedclaareyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    I think third world countries should eat christian missionaries like they did in the old times. The poor get fed and the arrogant get eaten. Win-win.
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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    SandWitch wrote:
    Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. (Seneca)

    Ain't that the truth.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    Holy Joseph Goebbels batman.....once again...another European country with a twisted view of Americans. I can't tell you how many Europeans have a distorted view of Americans, some of their stereotypes of us are pretty comical. Ignorance is ramped no matter where you go..
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  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    any person of God feels comfortable to be in company with others who serve the Holy Master, too...It's not the word that counts, it's the work...

    I have come to terms that even framing Christioniaty up is not of God...because God iis a diverse and loving God...

    How dare I question intent!!!!
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  • SandWitch wrote:
    Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. (Seneca)


    Brilliant!
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Kann wrote:
    Note that this can apply not only to any religion but also to any political party (and his actually applied by many political parties)
    edit : I'm sure Machiavelli has a chapter on this somewhere


    Which is why Iran is going to be confronted militarily in the exact same manner Iraq was. Remember how they were talking something to make shock and awe look like child's play? Something like 10,000 or 100,000 bombs all deliverable via air and within a matter hours. Iraq #2.

    Shake the place silly, then send in the aid. Plant the seed of Christianity through force.... it will inevitably grow and start a wave of religious infighting within the various communities themselves. This is a perfect result, and a key component in judging the overall success of the operation.

    You then help protect them by vowing to defend them against the opposition of dangerous insurgents (their fellow countrymen in militia form) which is precisely the goal in the first place.

    Missionary accomplished.

    Amazing what a little religion can do mixed with politics promoted out the end of a gun barrel.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Is this the "Catholic Good", "Baptist Bad" thread?
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I went up to Hollywood to see a friend of mine sing... and as we stood outside, this kid gave us this little booklet about Jesus... well, it was more about 'Answers'. Of course, me being me... on a couple of beers and a shot of whiskey, decided to talk to this guy. Mistake.
    Anyway... I looked at the back of the little book... which is kinda funny.. like something you'd only find in a 1977 issue of the National Lampoon... and got this website... and the actual little book.
    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp
    ...
    By the way... the kid asked for a donation and i said, only if you can get me into the Orchestra Pit of Heaven... and gave him a couple of bucks. Which I hope he spends on pot... rather than giving it to the guy that dropped him off on Hollywood Boulevard.
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038



    A spiritual war is like saying a peaceful war
    I consider myself very spiritual, and I disagree.

    The word spiritual does not make the word 'war' peaceful. War is war. Plus, true spirituality is beyond war, so to use those terms together is a contradiction in terms for me.
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    You speak German? Cool. Are there any other inconsistencies in the subtitling? that would be brutal.
    It's not German he's translating. He's quoting what the missionary said in English. It's the translation of the subtitle people who negatively misrepresented what the missionary said.
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  • angelica wrote:
    It's not German he's translating. He's quoting what the missionary said in English. It's the translation of the subtitle people who negatively misrepresented what the missionary said.


    That's what I thought at first, but decided to give it the benefit of the doubt and wait for a further response. I believe you are correct. The subtitles in news piece are not misrepresented.

    I can't believe that one missionary dude was actually dying his hair black and pretending to be a tourist during the church service when he was really the one running the operation.

    It's going to take a pretty wide level of awareness to come up with a solution to this problem. That is if it's considered a problem in the first place. A lot of people ultimately concede and see it as a process or "unfortunate consequence" and overlook it as long as they don't have hear about, or witness the finer details of the people that have to endure this reality.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    Which is why Iran is going to be confronted militarily in the exact same manner Iraq was. Remember how they were talking something to make shock and awe look like child's play? Something like 10,000 or 100,000 bombs all deliverable via air and within a matter hours. Iraq #2.

    Shake the place silly, then send in the aid. Plant the seed of Christianity through force.... it will inevitably grow and start a wave of religious infighting within the various communities themselves. This is a perfect result, and a key component in judging the overall success of the operation.

    You then help protect them by vowing to defend them against the opposition of dangerous insurgents (their fellow countrymen in militia form) which is precisely the goal in the first place.

    Missionary accomplished.

    Amazing what a little religion can do mixed with politics promoted out the end of a gun barrel.
    I'm not sure I understand. One of Iraq's consequence is the rise of christian religion over there?
    But anyways, Europe does that a lot as well, especially France and especially in Africa. It's a shitty way of doing things but it's pretty effective.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    "Are there "good Christians" in the US? No doubt. Many of them. But.."

    Loses a lot of credibility right there.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1 wrote:
    "Are there "good Christians" in the US? No doubt. Many of them. But.."

    Loses a lot of credibility right there.

    and the very next sentence "But the banner of "Christianity" is also used to provide cover for subversive and treasonous activity."

    Which is the undeniable truth. Can it actually be argued it isn't happening?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Cosmo wrote:
    I went up to Hollywood to see a friend of mine sing... and as we stood outside, this kid gave us this little booklet about Jesus... well, it was more about 'Answers'. Of course, me being me... on a couple of beers and a shot of whiskey, decided to talk to this guy. Mistake.
    Anyway... I looked at the back of the little book... which is kinda funny.. like something you'd only find in a 1977 issue of the National Lampoon... and got this website... and the actual little book.
    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp
    ...
    By the way... the kid asked for a donation and i said, only if you can get me into the Orchestra Pit of Heaven... and gave him a couple of bucks. Which I hope he spends on pot... rather than giving it to the guy that dropped him off on Hollywood Boulevard.

    Maybe it's just my nerdy statistics-guy humour, but the end of the pamphlet where you're supposed to answer if you were saved or not really cracked me up. There should definitely have been a follow-up on "How can we save you?" or "What would make it more likely for you to accept Jesus" or something like that. :D

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Maybe it's just my nerdy statistics-guy humour, but the end of the pamphlet where you're supposed to answer if you were saved or not really cracked me up. There should definitely have been a follow-up on "How can we save you?" or "What would make it more likely for you to accept Jesus" or something like that. :D

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    ...
    Here's the one he handed to my friend... who gave it back to him because she didn't want to give him any money. I didn't read it at the time... but I remember the 'Bad... so-and-so' title.
    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0021/0021_01.asp
    ...
    This one really looks like it came out of a National Lampoon.
    ...
    and I don't know why the kid gave me the Catholics are not Christians book... I told him I was Jewish.
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  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Here's the one he handed to my friend... who gave it back to him because she didn't want to give him any money. I didn't read it at the time... but I remember the 'Bad... so-and-so' title.
    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0021/0021_01.asp
    ...
    This one really looks like it came out of a National Lampoon.
    Indeed. On par with "Truth for youth" in one-dimensionality. (is that a word?)
    and I don't know why the kid gave me the Catholics are not Christians book... I told him I was Jewish.
    Well, I suppose some of the arguments apply to you too then. In that, you're a wrong-believing person too. :D

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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/10/daniel-everett-amazon

    '...Thirty years living with the Pirahã destroyed his evangelical faith in God, wrecked his marriage and estranged him from two of his three children. It also dismantled his intellectual framework and set him on a collision course with one of the most influential intellectuals in the world. Today, he is continuing his fight with Noam Chomsky in a debate that could transform our understanding of human language...

    Yet Everett's life with the Pirahã didn't just cause a gradual disenchantment with the Chomskyan intellectual framework he had once cherished: it also triggered another, even more dramatic, de-conversion.

    Soon after he first arrived in the Amazon, Everett was nearly killed when the Pirahã discovered he was ordering passing river traders not to give them whisky. The Pirahã were rarely violent, but intensely rejected any kind of coercion. Crucially, Everett came to see his religion as fundamentally coercive. His academic studies were ultimately designed to help him translate the Bible into Pirahã. When they heard the word of God, his evangelic mission believed, they would be converted. Everett translated the Book of Luke, read it to the Pirahã and they were utterly unmoved. By 1985, he had privately lost his faith.

    "It's wrong to try and convert tribal societies," he says. "What should the empirical evidence for religion be? It should produce peaceful, strong, secure people who are right with God and right with the world. I don't see that evidence very often. So then I find myself with the Pirahã. They have all these qualities that I am trying to tell them they could have. They are the ones who are living life the way I'm saying it ought to be lived, they just don't fear heaven and hell."

    ...Everett...is pessimistic about their future. Missionaries and government officials see Pirahã society as poor and seek to help by giving them money and modern technology. "The Pirahã aren't poor. They don't see themselves as poor," he says. He believes capitalism and religion are manufacturing desires. "One of the saddest things I've seen in Amazonian cultures is people who were self-sufficient and happy that now think of themselves as poor and become dissatisfied with their lives. What worries me is outsiders trying to impose their values and materialism on the Pirahã."
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Also, Norman Lewis' book 'The Missionaries' is a very interesting read and details the cultural genocide committed by American Missionaries throughout the world...
    http://www.amazon.com/Missionaries-Against-Indians-Norman-Lewis/dp/0330354450/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226720461&sr=8-1
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    cutback wrote:
    steve?!? is that you??

    Yep. I've returned from the dead to swing my pink sword of justice yet again! :)
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Yep. I've returned from the dead to swing my pink sword of justice yet again! :)


    welcome back!! damn would have loved to hear your thoughts during our election :)
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    cutback wrote:
    welcome back!! damn would have loved to hear your thoughts during our election :)

    Ah well, you'll just have to wait another 4 years.

    Actually though, my thoughts on it all were pretty mainstream. I like Obama. He seems like a pretty decent fella.
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