Are Conspiracy Theorists out of Their Gourds?
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http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/
"Of course conspiracies exist. Merriam-Webster says a conspiracy is ‘a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act.’ If two or more people plot to do something corrupt, criminal or not, it’s a conspiracy. The world is teeming with them.
But conspiracy theorists are assumed to fear something much larger and more insidious than run of the mill nastiness; their suspicions focus on vast schemes and secret societies that control the levers of government. Conventional wisdom calls these people crackpots, nut jobs, tin foil hatters. Wikipedia states that ‘conspiracy theorist is a pejorative term, used to dismiss claims that are considered paranoid, unfounded, outlandish, irrational, or otherwise unworthy of serious consideration.’
It seems that conspiracy theorists have all the credibility of members of the Flat Earth Society.
Are we to assume then that no governmental conspiracies exist? That the idea of the Bush administration lying to us, or pressuring other agencies such as the State Department, CIA, or Justice Department to lie to us is unthinkable? That it wouldn’t be possible, for example, for them to cook up a case for war against a country that never attacked us, using information they know to be false? That they might claim that we are invading to spread democracy, when they really have their eye on the $30 trillion in oil under Iraqi sands? That they are willing to be thought of as incompetent because they invaded without an exit strategy when not leaving is exactly what those double-dealing conspirators had in mind?
Me neither, that could never happen.
Who are these wild-eyed conspiracy theorists? One was JFK. In a 1961 speech to the American Newspaper Publishers Association he said:
‘We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence-on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day.’
Another was Hilary Clinton. In an interview on The Today Show in 1998, she referred to a ‘vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband.’
JFK and Hilary Clinton, two deranged, delusional denizens of the lunatic fringe, trying to undermine the country no doubt.
Conspiracy theorists are getting a lot of press these days, because they keep popping up in unexpected places. When several members of We Are Change infiltrated Real Time with Bill Maher last month to shout out their half-baked theories about 9/11 being an inside job, the incident was shown by Bill O’Reilly on Fox News and Jeanne Moos and Glenn Beck on CNN. O’Reilly and Beck roundly denounced the mush-for-brains radicals, and Beck posted a poll on his website, asking if viewers didn’t agree that anyone who thinks our government planned 9/11 is ‘insane.’
Unfortunately for Beck, 66% said no, they’re not. Is it possible that two-thirds of his viewers are insane as well?
They’re not the only crackpots. A September 2007 Zogby poll found that 51% of Americans want Congress to probe Bush and Cheney regarding the 9/11 attacks. A New York Times/CBS News poll from October 2006 found that only 16% of adults fully believe the official story about 9/11, while 84% believe the Bush administration is either hiding something or is lying.
Apparently large numbers of paranoid Americans doubt the story put forth by our esteemed leaders, the one about 19 hijackers from caves overcoming all the defenses of our $500 billion/year military while armed with nothing but box cutters. Many otherwise normal people wonder how a steel-framed skyscraper could crumble to the ground at free-fall speed because of damage at its top floors. Other no-good degenerates question why an airplane that crashed in Pennsylvania would leave wreckage over eight square miles. So be careful out there. Wear your seatbelt. These looney-tunes are everywhere.
Unfortunately the 9/11 Truth virus has infected the highest levels of society. Pilots, engineers, physicists, architects, CIA veterans and former government officials are among those raving about WTC 7, molten metal and Bush’s unusual absorption in ‘My Pet Goat.’ Can we trust them? Of course not, they’re conspiracy theorists.
But, just for arguments sake, consider if there were a vast conspiracy to cover up the truth about 9/11. Don’t you think they’d need an equally vast PR campaign to portray any conspiracy theorists in the worst possible light, so all 84% of us would keep our suspicions to ourselves, lest we be mocked mercilessly?
Me neither."
"Of course conspiracies exist. Merriam-Webster says a conspiracy is ‘a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act.’ If two or more people plot to do something corrupt, criminal or not, it’s a conspiracy. The world is teeming with them.
But conspiracy theorists are assumed to fear something much larger and more insidious than run of the mill nastiness; their suspicions focus on vast schemes and secret societies that control the levers of government. Conventional wisdom calls these people crackpots, nut jobs, tin foil hatters. Wikipedia states that ‘conspiracy theorist is a pejorative term, used to dismiss claims that are considered paranoid, unfounded, outlandish, irrational, or otherwise unworthy of serious consideration.’
It seems that conspiracy theorists have all the credibility of members of the Flat Earth Society.
Are we to assume then that no governmental conspiracies exist? That the idea of the Bush administration lying to us, or pressuring other agencies such as the State Department, CIA, or Justice Department to lie to us is unthinkable? That it wouldn’t be possible, for example, for them to cook up a case for war against a country that never attacked us, using information they know to be false? That they might claim that we are invading to spread democracy, when they really have their eye on the $30 trillion in oil under Iraqi sands? That they are willing to be thought of as incompetent because they invaded without an exit strategy when not leaving is exactly what those double-dealing conspirators had in mind?
Me neither, that could never happen.
Who are these wild-eyed conspiracy theorists? One was JFK. In a 1961 speech to the American Newspaper Publishers Association he said:
‘We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence-on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day.’
Another was Hilary Clinton. In an interview on The Today Show in 1998, she referred to a ‘vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband.’
JFK and Hilary Clinton, two deranged, delusional denizens of the lunatic fringe, trying to undermine the country no doubt.
Conspiracy theorists are getting a lot of press these days, because they keep popping up in unexpected places. When several members of We Are Change infiltrated Real Time with Bill Maher last month to shout out their half-baked theories about 9/11 being an inside job, the incident was shown by Bill O’Reilly on Fox News and Jeanne Moos and Glenn Beck on CNN. O’Reilly and Beck roundly denounced the mush-for-brains radicals, and Beck posted a poll on his website, asking if viewers didn’t agree that anyone who thinks our government planned 9/11 is ‘insane.’
Unfortunately for Beck, 66% said no, they’re not. Is it possible that two-thirds of his viewers are insane as well?
They’re not the only crackpots. A September 2007 Zogby poll found that 51% of Americans want Congress to probe Bush and Cheney regarding the 9/11 attacks. A New York Times/CBS News poll from October 2006 found that only 16% of adults fully believe the official story about 9/11, while 84% believe the Bush administration is either hiding something or is lying.
Apparently large numbers of paranoid Americans doubt the story put forth by our esteemed leaders, the one about 19 hijackers from caves overcoming all the defenses of our $500 billion/year military while armed with nothing but box cutters. Many otherwise normal people wonder how a steel-framed skyscraper could crumble to the ground at free-fall speed because of damage at its top floors. Other no-good degenerates question why an airplane that crashed in Pennsylvania would leave wreckage over eight square miles. So be careful out there. Wear your seatbelt. These looney-tunes are everywhere.
Unfortunately the 9/11 Truth virus has infected the highest levels of society. Pilots, engineers, physicists, architects, CIA veterans and former government officials are among those raving about WTC 7, molten metal and Bush’s unusual absorption in ‘My Pet Goat.’ Can we trust them? Of course not, they’re conspiracy theorists.
But, just for arguments sake, consider if there were a vast conspiracy to cover up the truth about 9/11. Don’t you think they’d need an equally vast PR campaign to portray any conspiracy theorists in the worst possible light, so all 84% of us would keep our suspicions to ourselves, lest we be mocked mercilessly?
Me neither."
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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hehe...pretty funny.
I don't think it's that too far fetched to be wary by nature and question strange, unprecedented, or contradictory situations. Does that make me crazy?
But please, can somebody trace those damn put options already and shut people like me up.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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We've been through this and there has to be some great reason why 84% believe the Bush Administration is not telling the truth or the official story behind 9II. Well, I'm one of those questioning what is supposed to be the official story and by questioning the official story makes me a CT then that's what I'm a Conspiracy Theorist.
Peace
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However, from that to maintaining that just about everything happening everywhere is omnisciently controlled by a clandestine group up to no good and being evil, THAT's where I lose interest. At that point, it just becomes a crutch in order to make sense out of the world, and tying everything together and get some meaning to otherwise meaningless happenings. Instead of realizing that a lot of things happen that are meaningless, unplanned, senseless and trivial. We dont control the world, and neither does any secret group. No human(s) control it all.
But apart from that, conspiracies do happen. They are just not coordinated according to an overshadowing evil plan.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
If I opened it now would you not understand?
well, they overcame some stews...big difference between some stews and a $500 billion a yr army
you love this roland, if i question anything about 911, it's the one that got away. i can see where they would shoot it down....not saying they did or didn't, but i know they would before letting it get to it's target.
the rest is hooey.
doesn't that cut both ways?
if you believe iran, then aren't you just a big of dummy?
or is it only the american gov't you don't trust?
I think I can have a better say about the people and places I have actually visited and talked to then what the news and net has to say.
what the hell does that mean?
yes; i thought we already decided this. they can't believe what happened so they search for other answers.
It's not only the American goverment who has a vested interest in a nice war on Iran though.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
so true. it seems like during the do-nothing clintons administration; europe had plane bombings and other terrorist attacks almost weekly. since the iraq war; a lot of people are safer.
Don't understand? listen to thisand it may open a few windows.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Franklin_espionage_scandal
It's coming in a few months after a couple years of desperately postponing it again...and again...and again...
This is going to be quite the barn burner of a trial.
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over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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It benefits the elite to have the public wasting time on issues like these...instead of standing up for their rights, for human rights, for peace, workers rights, to get rid of the wealth gap, for democracy in action, standing up in the streets-Being heard.
http://prothink.podomatic.com/enclosure/2007-11-19T09_13_28-08_00.mp3
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=42&contentid=653&page=2
If you can't be bothered to check it out, it basically connects the condensation trails that commercial airplanes leave in the sky (some call them chemical trails) to a US Black Ops mind control project that is dumbing down the population so that we are easier to manipulate - but doing it so slowly that nobody picks up on it.
When someone calls someone else a conspiracy theorist in a derogatory way, I get the impression these are the people they are talking about. Unfortunately, these people make some pretty outrageous claims about 9/11 and Iraq and everything else you can imagine. They always claim to have the actual truth. They aren't only questioning what they are being told, they are telling you what they are convinced is the truth. When the average everyday free thinking skeptic also questions the "official story" they are lumped in with these extreme-o's. There is a huge difference between being an open minded skeptic and a paranoid conspiracy theorist. It's just easier for the mindless sheep to brush skeptics off by claiming they're all the same.
You are not your job.
You are not how much money you have in the bank.
You are not the car you drive.
You are not the contents of your wallet.
You are not your fucking khakis.
I'm onboard with that view.
Instead of looking hard for obscure societies and organizations, you dont have to look very far to see the elite openly benefitting themselves through informal/formal and legal/grey/illegal channels. There is an element of truth in the concept of class struggle, and there are a lot of things not right out there. But I dont need to look further for the satanic or otherwise concealed agenda behind all ills of the world. Some of the ills and people behind are connected somehow, that's true. But to believe it is all strictly coordinated by a very disciplined, nearly omniscient little group bent on world domination is going way far, and actually takes the attention away from the open issues at hand that can be adressed. Different groups have plans for themselves and their position in the market and the world, certainly. That some of those can be highly questionable, no doubt. But adress the issue right here, not by inventing an evil organization drawing all the strings like in a comic book.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6529813972926262623&hl=en
eyes open..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I think they're all full of shit and they all have bad intentions.
That's what it appears folks believe. I'm more inclined to believe that power corrupts, and that there is no organized, pyrimidal, secret conspiracy organization that is aware of what they are. If there are any such groups, like the Bilderbergs, I doubt they are aware their activities are bad or undesirable. From their perspective it's the thing to do. Which is why, I think, the conspiracy mastermind is not a mind at all, but a system, a natural order. People with certain interests are drawn to certain fields and influenced in certain ways others are not. So to me, the conspiracy to do harm is not deliberate but necessary for these people. If I was there on Jekyll Island and said "I don't agree with a thing you guys are doing." they simply wouldn't invite me back.
I remember going to this libertarian message board online. The mod and I had a disagreement over how I should handle an issue in my life and they banned me permanently from the board. To me, that is no different than a cult, they ban people with a difference of opinion and act as if it's justified, they feel it's just. I see this happen with groups in general. It seems to be a fact of society that groups of people will form, converse and take covert actions against the rest of us, some will cause harm and some will do good and there will be all manner of them.
Except for money happens when the mar machine is running. Look the other way...carry one driving the six figure car, keep taking the corporate jet for pleasure...out of sight out of mind. This is why the media sanitizes war so dutifully. Conscience.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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