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The deliberate dumbing down of America

RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
"Unbelievable book! Iserbyt's straight shooting tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth. This is a `must read' for elected officials, who should give serious consideration to her proposals to turn the situation around. Home schoolers and traditional teachers will not be able to put this book down."

"This country, if it is to remain a sovereign, free and independent America, depends upon the greatest number of Americans reading and acting upon the information in this timely book."

"I applaud Iserbyt for her shocking, completely documented expose. A dynamite book which presents a clear chronology of educational restructuring. Compelling evidence shows school reform, supported by all political stripes, to be a totalitarian plan using Skinnerian behavior modification and other equally manipulative psychological techniques to subjugate future generations in a state of ignorant bliss."

The (free) ebook:
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Boy that's a long read. So far I largely disagree.

    I think it's odd that the author refers to him/her self as "the writer" throughout the text.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    would you like me to tell you who I think has been dumbed down for some time now?
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    would you like me to tell you who I think has been dumbed down for some time now?

    Sure...go for it.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Boy that's a long read. So far I largely disagree.

    I think it's odd that the author refers to him/her self as "the writer" throughout the text.


    I haven't read it myself, however it claims to be rated as a #1 best seller in the education category.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I haven't read it myself, however it claims to be rated as a #1 best seller in the education category.

    A lot of God stuff, Free-will stuff, not my cup of tea. Essentially, philosophical and political libertarianism, neither of which I agree with. It paints a very black picture of socialism.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Case in point:
    "I want them [offspring] to know that there will always be hope for freedom if they follow in these
    people’s footsteps; if they cherish the concept of “free will”; if they believe that human
    beings are special, not animals, and that they have intellects, souls, and consciences. I
    want them to know that if the government schools are allowed to teach children K–12 using
    Pavlovian/Skinnerian animal training methods—which provide tangible rewards only for
    correct answers—there can be no freedom."

    Emphasis added
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    A lot of God stuff, Free-will stuff, not my cup of tea. Essentially, philosophical and political libertarianism, neither of which I agree with. It paints a very black picture of socialism.

    I was wondering if it was a conspiracy type thing, or just about different views on how children should be educated.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I was wondering if it was a conspiracy type thing, or just about different views on how children should be educated.

    The general idea is that a secret society of educators are using the education system to train children like animals to conform to American Standards, or the ideal set of personality traits of the government. It does sound like a conspiracy theory.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The general idea is that a secret society of educators are using the education system to train children like animals to conform to American Standards, or the ideal set of personality traits of the government. It does sound like a conspiracy theory.


    Oh, lovely. Apparently the author has compelling documentation. I'd like to see how she manages to pull that scenario off and to what extent.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Oh, lovely. Apparently the author has compelling documentation. I'd like to see how she manages to pull that scenario off and to what extent.

    I didn't make it that far.

    Even if that was the case, it doesn't seem as gloomy as is portrayed in the book. Maybe I'll finish reading it later.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I didn't make it that far.

    Even if that was the case, it doesn't seem as gloomy as is portrayed in the book. Maybe I'll finish reading it later.

    I don't have time/still deciding to read it at the moment. Thanks for your thoughts and interpretation thus far.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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    (")_(")
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I haven't read it myself.

    why am I not surprised
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    why am I not surprised


    Why are you what?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Speak for yourself.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Arizona Public Access Libertarian Television:
    History Of Government Schools

    WATCH.
    :D

    Description:
    Mark's guest, Pam Probst dispels urban legends and provides a fascinating history of education in this country as it really happened, as opposed to the version typically provided public school advocates. Among other things, she provides convincing evidence that literacy in America was actually far greater than it is today, and that public schools, rather than increasing literacy, actually led to its decline.

    One of the more interesting points Probst makes is that there was a tremendous number of publications in print in the early years of the American Republic. For instance, Thomas Paine's historically famous pamphlet, "Common Sense," was printed to about a million and a half copies. As Ms. Probst points out, "Someone was reading all those copies!"

    She also gives a description of how public schools, with the support of major charitable organizations backed by major corporate non-profit trusts of the 19th and early 20th century, succeeded through a combination of propaganda and the appeal of "free" education to wrest control of education from parents and to put it into the hands of the government.

    This is a must-see video for anyone who has any interest at all in education.
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I haven't read it myself


    um, you posted a thread in support of a book you havent read?

    i think you see the problem with that? how can you comment on something you havent read?

    no offense to you, but stuff like that is killing the mojo of the moving train
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    my2hands wrote:
    um, you posted a thread in support of a book you havent read?

    i think you see the problem with that? how can you comment on something you havent read?

    no offense to you, but stuff like that is killing the mojo of the moving train

    It was listed as a #1 best seller were you expecting better?

    gmab...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It was listed as a #1 best seller

    of the world? of all time?

    oops, at Barnes and Noble in its History of Education category. whatever the fuck that is.


    and what he was expecting, is that you actually read it. (maybe even some of it)
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    of the world? of all time?

    oops, at Barnes and Noble in its History of Education category. whatever the fuck that is.


    and what he was expecting, is that you actually read it. (maybe even some of it)

    #1 in it's own genre.

    So I have to read the entire book before I can post about it.

    Is that a freaky unspoken rule here or something?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I've met some uptight people before but this is ridiculous...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
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