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  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Truthmonger wrote:
    The whole political scene in Canada is depressing. Where's the leadership ? Where's the democracy ? Where are the legitimate choices ? Ugh.

    Just out of curiosity, I see that the MMP referendum is going to fail. I have my suspicians why, but what do others think about why this failed ???


    The MPP system failed because 1) it was totally not publicized, half the people I knew had no idea there was a referendum and 2) it was a load of crap, we already have the unelected federal senate which I hate, do we really need a bunch more appointed politicians? I am a little pissed of that probably a decent chunk of cash was probably spent on a system that it looks like a large majority of people don't want and based what was required for it to pass, looks like has no chance.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    The MPP system failed because 1) it was totally not publicized, half the people I knew had no idea there was a referendum and 2) it was a load of crap, we already have the unelected federal senate which I hate, do we really need a bunch more appointed politicians?

    We are part of the commonwealth don't ya know?

    According to a survey I read, I believe it was in the London Free Press, the majority of people want to keep the Queen. The reasons, people say they get their identities from the royal family. How? I'm not sure. I certainly don't.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Ahnimus wrote:
    We are part of the commonwealth don't ya know?

    According to a survey I read, I believe it was in the London Free Press, the majority of people want to keep the Queen. The reasons, people say they get their identities from the royal family. How? I'm not sure. I certainly don't.

    I know we are part of the commonwealth (I went to the commonwealth games in 94) and I don't have a problem with the queen or the Govornor General. The queen really has no power and no say in Canadian politics (plus at least in the UK the royal family fuels 2 massive industries (tourism and tabloids)). The GG serves a purpose as she does all that ceremonial crap that you don't really want the Prime Minister wasting his time on. The Senate on the other hand are appointed for life and the guys make 120,000+ per year and are not even elected.

    Basically a senate seat is just a gift for the governing party to hand out to their supporters. If the MPP system was in place it would be the same damn thing, more unelected politicians, appointed by their parties. At least now if the dude in my riding doesn't like what his party is doing he has the option to sit as an independant, the MPP system guys would totally have to tow the party line (as if that is what we need more of).
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Truthmonger wrote:
    The whole political scene in Canada is depressing. Where's the leadership ? Where's the democracy ? Where are the legitimate choices ? Ugh.

    Just out of curiosity, I see that the MMP referendum is going to fail. I have my suspicians why, but what do others think about why this failed ???


    Who the hell wants to see people not elected get appointed to government. There is enough crap in politics that we sure don't need more people to ensure minority governments every single vote. If you can't win in a riding or feel slighted, move and try again.
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    even flow? wrote:
    Who the hell wants to see people not elected get appointed to government. There is enough crap in politics that we sure don't need more people to ensure minority governments every single vote. If you can't win in a riding or feel slighted, move and try again.


    Seriously, and if your candidate doesn't win this election, get off your ass and volunteer to campaign for him next time around.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    i think just based on this supposedly "active" political board - i can see why mmp failed ... nobobdy understands it ...

    mmp is about proportional representation and a check for gov'ts ... there are only a few places left in the world that don't go by it ... it started in germany after hitlers rule to prevent shit like that happening ... we have a gov't now with only 42% of the popular vote being able to do whatever the fuck they want ... that doesn't reflect the interests of the people ...

    places like new zealand have coalition gov'ts that are effective because there is representation from all sides ...

    we have people pissed here that this referendum was a waste of money when they didn't even bother to learn it ...

    this is why gov't fails - not because we have too many politicians - it's because the electorate fails to engage ...

    pathetic
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    polaris wrote:
    i think just based on this supposedly "active" political board - i can see why mmp failed ... nobobdy understands it ...

    mmp is about proportional representation and a check for gov'ts ... there are only a few places left in the world that don't go by it ... it started in germany after hitlers rule to prevent shit like that happening ... we have a gov't now with only 42% of the popular vote being able to do whatever the fuck they want ... that doesn't reflect the interests of the people ...

    places like new zealand have coalition gov'ts that are effective because there is representation from all sides ...

    we have people pissed here that this referendum was a waste of money when they didn't even bother to learn it ...

    this is why gov't fails - not because we have too many politicians - it's because the electorate fails to engage ...

    pathetic


    I see that 6 out of 107 ridings voted for MMP. The rest must not have read up on it. Or thought better of it. Just an observation.
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    even flow? wrote:
    I see that 6 out of 107 ridings voted for MMP. The rest must not have read up on it. Or thought better of it. Just an observation.

    the papers are saying most people didn't know about it ... nor understood it ... judging by comments on this board - that would hold true ...

    we could have made some huge progress it citizenry engagement - but we let the ruling parties lull us into further apathy ...
  • Truthmonger
    Truthmonger Posts: 559
    polaris wrote:
    the papers are saying most people didn't know about it ... nor understood it ... judging by comments on this board - that would hold true ...

    we could have made some huge progress it citizenry engagement - but we let the ruling parties lull us into further apathy ...

    I'm sick of the apathy. At this point I just want to see a stronger nexus between what people want and what's represented in our federal or provincial houses. Right now, that discrepancy is pretty severe. As far as I'm concerned the entire voting system and running of gov't needs a MAJOR overhaul. Its serving a few, and fucking so many others.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    Truthmonger wrote:
    I'm sick of the apathy. At this point I just want to see a stronger nexus between what people want and what's represented in our federal or provincial houses. Right now, that discrepancy is pretty severe. As far as I'm concerned the entire voting system and running of gov't needs a MAJOR overhaul. Its serving a few, and fucking so many others.

    yup ... and here we actually were given an opportunity to do something about it ... something that the rest of the "free world" has done for ages ... and we hit snooze ...
  • rybes
    rybes Posts: 136
    Personally i think its ridiculous that one party is still never invited to participate in the debate, be it at a provincial or federal level.

    I think some of you should check out this site.
    http://demanddemocraticdebates.ca/

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