George Galloway debunks "they will wipe israel off the map"
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Gotta love how the govt spun propaganda endlessly swirls the globe. The world is thick with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5bEhN7_abc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5bEhN7_abc
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=15816
Ahmadinejad: Wipe Israel off map
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the map.
Ahmadinejad addressed students at a conference
"The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world," the president told a conference in Tehran on Wednesday, entitled The World without Zionism.
"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land," he said.
"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini.
His comments were the first time in years that such a high-ranking Iranian official has called for Israel's eradication, even though such slogans are still regularly used at government
rallies.
According to Galloway it's highly misconstrued. At 54 seconds it shows exactly the words he said and the meaning of....the context of what he was saying (at the time) is that Zionism will not continue and stand the test of time as other radical beliefs haven't.
This guy knows it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mScWWtRfGQ
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1G3nXTG_h4
Have you read the full speech? What was said was taken out of context. Thus it is propaganda
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
You're a bit of a funny cartoon yourself sometimes...openly accepting whatever is passed in front of you that you want to hear, and rejecting and criticizing what you don't want to hear.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Banned Israeli Army Footage -- Leaked
Today is Yum Kippur.
Today my grandfather is going to die.
He went in to the hospital last week with a bad hip, and came out after the medicine they gave him had inadvertantly induced a massive heart attack, and the death curse: congenital heart failure.
My grandfather comes from a long line of german & east european jews.
With the exception of his father who immigrated to New York, every single relative died in the concentration camps of Germany.
With his death today, i will be the sole surviving male in a once proud and prosperous family of faithful and honorable souls.
So much of what America perceives as a threat to its security is nothing more than a manufactured device, a fabrication of the military-media-industrial-complex to further an agenda of oil and empire. Please take the time to educate yourself. Read what spiralout posted. Understand the true nature of your perceived "enemy".
The real translations of Ahmadinejad have him come off as a progressive man who seeks the destruction of not states or peoples, but only of "regimes" and of oppresive forces throughout the world, and where every from they may spring ... east or west.
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is rooted in such deep history that none of us can possibly hope to understand it with any certainty. The only thing i do understand is that the treatment Israel puts upon the "refugees" is intolerable and unconscienceable.
Just as the US must seek a more just and truly defensible relations with countries in the middle east, so too must Israel. The actions which both countries engage in is so often not in the real best interest of their respective citizens.
The west can never hope to be any sort of model for morality or beacon of virtue to the rest of the world, if its day to day actions continue to follow a misguided path which only promises to spread more violence and hatred.
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu4GBnxi3wc
Perle has no words to explain himself or his position...other than to deny and discredit of course. Predictable.
priceless...
You won't see that footage this on Fox anytime soon.
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So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:
"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."
That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).
So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".
THE PROOF:
The full quote translated directly to English:
"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".
Word by word translation:
Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).
Here is the full transcript of the speech in farsi, archived on Ahmadinejad's web site http://www.president.ir/farsi/ahmadinejad/speeches/1384/aban-84/840804sahyonizm.htm
from here: http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/rumor-of-the-century/
(read at speech and context)
So there you have it... soak up the Neo-con Zionist propaganda folks....take a big whiff..
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Straight from the source? ...sorry....try again jlew...
I just spelled it out for you in black and white what was said, and the propaganda you willingly swallowed.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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he is repeating what Khomeini said. and agreeing with it.
And your point is?
Does it look like the crap that was reported or not?
"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time"
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
so its ok when your buddy talks tough but not bush?
Again i will ask you is what he actually said anything like what was reported in the media?
Why are you incapable of answering a simple question? Why not just admit what you thought was wrong.
Roland has shown you proof that what was reported by the media is propaganda.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
according to rolands sources he said "regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" I guess thats ok
further, now you are attempting to equate the mostly ambiguos and relatively bening phrase, "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" with Bush's unjustified proactive oil-inspired war of deception?
"must VANISH from the page of time".
He does not cite a quote saying "we must REMOVE" or "the regime must be KILELD" or anything of the sort ... whether you interpret the phrase to be veiled & deceptive rhetoric masking truly vile motives or not, the simple fact is he never said anything remotely resembling the blatantly aggressive and forcible action quoted as "must wipe israel off the [...] map".
The phrase "the regime must vanish" is passive, involves no state, only a governmental construct, and has not directed any sort of active threat of violence.
It is just that. A passive statement implying that just as the Soviet regime fell, so one day must the regime of Israel fall.
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where is the disconect
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
what makes Rolands source fact. I found one that says he did say wipe off map
http://www.themiddleeastnow.com/ref/jadspeech.html
Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime [Israel] has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world. But we must be aware of tricks. For over 50 years the world oppressor tried to give legitimacy to the occupying regime and it has taken measures in this direction to stabilize it. About 27 or 28 years ago they took a major step and unfortunately one of the leading countries made a mistake which we hope will correct it.[an apparent reference to the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel].
Second, if you can be bothered to examine the farsi quote and do your own translation, you might see for your self.
Third, even wikipedia says so.
And despite what you may think, wikipedia IS moderated and edited for accuracy. One need only to look at a heavily contested area like tax-protestor argument articles to see that there are pages of discussion once an article is flagged as bias by any registered user.
Quit acting so dense just because you are incorrect on this.
I've been wrong before, and I have been man enough to just cough it up.
[and before you say, "oh yeah, when?" go look at some of my old 911 posts]
If I opened it now would you not understand?
kudos to you! ...
eh, wiki's ok. if i'm wrong I'm wrong. but I dont see it being proven that he didnt say what he said. thats right roland youtube doesnt make it fact.
and where are these scholars you speak of? roland quoted The Mossadegh Project. thats it.
sorry you dont want to participate in a debate. feel free to join in at anytime..
Give up, you are wrong take it like a man.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
uhh ... this isn't the first time this has been discussed ... i said the same thing way back and in countless threads ...
these statements are meant to manipulate the public ... that's why they call it propaganda ... and there is a reason why it works ... cuz people want to hear things sometimes ...
this statement has been used as the primary reason to wage a "war of sorts" on iran for years now ... it's like the whole saddam and WMD ... reality and facts are irrelevant to the master manipulators ...
truth and perspective is all you need here ...
I dont doubt that this is all a war of words. but if he never said that then why hasnt he defended himself from the countless world leaders (some arab leaders who are his friend) that condemn that speech?
me and the rest of the world I guess. if its on the internet it MUST be true.
The truth is staring you in the face and you still don't want to see it.
You truly do follow the herd.
And if it's in the media it MUST be true?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
the truth? they are different interpretations of what he said. I have yet to hear him back off from what the world is claiming to have heard