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Ron Paul segment on Bill O'reilly tonight

RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited September 2007 in A Moving Train
Oops we can't talk about history...don't wanna hear about history..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYxKOyWHaTw
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Oops we can't talk about history...don't wanna hear about history..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYxKOyWHaTw

    O Reilly didn't say we can't talk about history...he said we all KNOW history...and was trying to get Ron Paul off his talking points to actually address his question. I know people like you think all us cons are a bunch of inbreeding, heyseed hillbillies who haven't heard of great "thinkers" like noam chomskey, but we know about all that...and find O'Reilly's tactic of making his guest actually answer his question, as opposed to obfuscating, refreshing.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    O Reilly didn't say we can't talk about history...he said we all KNOW history...and was trying to get Ron Paul off his talking points to actually address his question.


    same diff...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    same diff...

    yeah...that response didn't make any sense.

    O'Riley was trying to elicit a substantive response from Paul about Iran, and he went into a "history lesson." the point of this thread is to say O'Reilly and other hate-mongering right wing whackos aren't interested in history. and my point is...is that you, ron paul, and other clueless people can't address the question that O'Reilly asked. I'd like to hear your response to his question....If we were to withdrawl...what do you think Iran would do?

    a direct answer would be sweet :)
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    yeah...that response didn't make any sense.

    O'Riley was trying to elicit a substantive response from Paul about Iran, and he went into a "history lesson." the point of this thread is to say O'Reilly and other hate-mongering right wing whackos is that we aren't interested in history. and my point is...is that you, ron paul, and other clueless people can't address the question that O'Reilly asked. I'd like to hear your response to his question....If we were to withdrawl...what do you think Iran would do?

    a direct answer would be sweet :)

    direct or accurate?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    direct or accurate?

    doubt you could do either...just answer my question, not a trick one dude.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    doubt you could do either...just answer my question, not a trick one dude.

    If O'reilly let Ron Paul speak he would have actually leaned something.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    If O'reilly let Ron Paul speak he would have actually leaned something.

    translation: you, or ron paul, or most libs, don't want to answer the question "what will Iran do if we leave Iraq." you don't want to asnwer it b/c it's easy not to answer the question....and in a spineless sort of way...that's not really respectable.

    but dude, just answer the question.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    translation: you, or ron paul, or most libs, don't want to answer the question "what will Iran do if we leave Iraq."

    dude, just answer the question.

    Keep kicking an indestructible hornets nest and you'll keep getting stung.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Keep kicking an indestructible hornets nest and you'll keep getting stung.

    yeah, didn't think so.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    yeah, didn't think so.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=clusterfuck

    Democracy by force....brilliant idea.

    in another universe maybe...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
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  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    yeah...that response didn't make any sense.

    O'Riley was trying to elicit a substantive response from Paul about Iran, and he went into a "history lesson." the point of this thread is to say O'Reilly and other hate-mongering right wing whackos aren't interested in history. and my point is...is that you, ron paul, and other clueless people can't address the question that O'Reilly asked. I'd like to hear your response to his question....If we were to withdrawl...what do you think Iran would do?

    a direct answer would be sweet :)

    Hi Purple Hawk. I think, if Bill had let Paul, he would have more than made his point. One really can't debate this issue without a history lesson. These people just didn't wake up one day and decide to hate us for our freedom. It is a hard pill to shallow, but our past has come back to bite us and the current administration's actions have only made our position in the middle east worse. As for just walking out now after our fumble? Not sure is it is as easy as Paul says, we have really made a mess of things, but what he says about our past involvement fueling this fire is undeniable.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    translation: you, or ron paul, or most libs, don't want to answer the question "what will Iran do if we leave Iraq." you don't want to asnwer it b/c it's easy not to answer the question....and in a spineless sort of way...that's not really respectable.

    but dude, just answer the question.

    I'll answer that question, because it's easy...

    no one knows...plain and simple...billy doesn't know, ron doesn't know, and you don't know....we can all guess and speculate, but no one knows..

    we can live in fear like they are the boogie man in the closet, or we can understand we have differences and work to address them...

    I choose the latter...I'm guessing you're more of boogie man kind of fella...
  • FredFlintstoneFredFlintstone Posts: 193
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    O Reilly didn't say we can't talk about history...he said we all KNOW history...and was trying to get Ron Paul off his talking points to actually address his question. I know people like you think all us cons are a bunch of inbreeding, heyseed hillbillies who haven't heard of great "thinkers" like noam chomskey, but we know about all that...and find O'Reilly's tactic of making his guest actually answer his question, as opposed to obfuscating, refreshing.



    Ya I mean who needs a little nuance or a lesson in the history of Middle East policy of the US and its business/oil interests. Its not as if this is a complex issue.
    Fox viewers and the O'Reilly demographic are much better served sticking with soundbites. Stick with "they hate you for your freedom" and "Bring em on"....it is SO Much easier. And it doesn't cause your brain to cramp from thinking.
    Purple my man, why aren't you in Iraq fighting them terrorists!!! We have killed so many....there can't be many left right??....Victory will be ours soon!
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  • NickyNoochNickyNooch Posts: 629
    I've found Ron Paul to be the only candidate worth my support in every election since I could vote and I'm 28. Yes I vote every election, but have never felt happy or, for that matter really endorsed the candidate I voted for.

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  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    and find O'Reilly's tactic of making his guest actually answer his question, as opposed to obfuscating, refreshing.

    you have a lot more problems besides being inbred if you find O'Reilly "refreshing"

    and if you think Iran is a REAL threat then anything else you say can't be taken seriously because it's obvious you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    JamMastaE wrote:
    you have a lot more problems besides being inbred if you find O'Reilly "refreshing"

    and if you think Iran is a REAL threat then anything else you say can't be taken seriously because it's obvious you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

    pajammymaster, do you ever have anything constructive to say? just once, please.
  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    jlew24asu wrote:
    pajammymaster, do you ever have anything constructive to say? just once, please.


    holy fuck,YOU are such a hypocrite!!!!
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    inmytree wrote:
    I'll answer that question, because it's easy...

    no one knows...plain and simple...billy doesn't know, ron doesn't know, and you don't know....we can all guess and speculate, but no one knows..

    we can live in fear like they are the boogie man in the closet, or we can understand we have differences and work to address them...

    I choose the latter...I'm guessing you're more of boogie man kind of fella...

    Exactly...deal with one problem at a time...who knows what Iran will do, and really, who cares? So what if they take over big portions of Iraq...what is the concern there? Esp. if the western powers stay on the sidelines and actually try to IMPROVE diplomatic relations with them, instead of talking about it in one breath and threatening them the next.

    I haven't watched the clip, but if Phawk's question is the one Paul was asked, it's hypothetical...so why can't he do a little dance with it, and try to EDUCATE the viewers on the reasons for what MIGHT happen? How is he supposed to answer a hypothetical directly?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Drowned Out wrote:

    I haven't watched the clip, but if Phawk's question is the one Paul was asked, it's hypothetical...so why can't he do a little dance with it, and try to EDUCATE the viewers on the reasons for what MIGHT happen? How is he supposed to answer a hypothetical directly?

    thats a good point. it is hypothetical. but I do not believe having Iran take over part of Iraq is without consequence like you suggest
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    jlew24asu wrote:
    thats a good point. it is hypothetical. but I do not believe having Iran take over part of Iraq is without consequence like you suggest

    not without consequence...but what is the consequence of the alternative?

    hypothetical, I know :)
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    the main consequence of letting Iran take over parts of Iraq is that it increases real or imagined threats to Isreal, and limits western access to oil....that's all I can see....and I don't personally feel that justifies any more bloodshed.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Drowned Out wrote:
    not without consequence...but what is the consequence of the alternative?

    hypothetical, I know :)

    there would be much more consequence with going to war with Iran, no question. but allowing them to do as they please should not be the answer either.

    im not sure what should happen.

    I wish all the shit would end so I can go visit. Iran/Iraq area is where civilization began. so many places to see. maybe one day
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I wish all the shit would end so I can go visit. Iran/Iraq area is where civilization began. so many places to see. maybe one day

    Agreed....it looks beautiful there....or was anyway.
  • Flannel ShirtFlannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    This fucking jerkoff did extra. Lets not forget this. He is a smug asshole. Never a discussion, just confrontation.
    Ron Paul did look flustered.
    Fuck fox news.
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  • Its Evolution BabyIts Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    This fucking jerkoff did extra. Lets not forget this. He is a smug asshole. Never a discussion, just confrontation.
    Ron Paul did look flustered.
    Fuck fox news.

    It was Inside Edition and damnit they won 2 peabodies!!!*
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Agreed....it looks beautiful there....or was anyway.

    On the current route, t will be full of shrapnel and chaos soon.

    edit: not to mention widespread radioactive particles from DU rounds.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    This fucking jerkoff did extra. Lets not forget this. He is a smug asshole. Never a discussion, just confrontation.
    Ron Paul did look flustered.
    Fuck fox news.

    When you tune into O'reilly, all he does is urinate his opinion all over the place.

    Like Hannity, it's 99% agenda.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    JamMastaE wrote:
    you have a lot more problems besides being inbred if you find O'Reilly "refreshing"

    and if you think Iran is a REAL threat then anything else you say can't be taken seriously because it's obvious you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

    awesome post dude.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    When you tune into O'reilly, all he does is urinate his opinion all over the place.

    Like Hannity, it's 99% agenda.

    hannity, beck, ingraham, et al. SAY that they are giving you their opinion. i don't see the problem....if someone is telling you they are giving you their opinion...it is what it is.

    i'll agree with you to an extent on o'riley b/c he tries to be "above it all" which is obviously BS....

    but i don't see anything wrong with guys like hannity saying here's my opinion, and it's why i believe it.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    hannity, beck, ingraham, et al. SAY that they are giving you their opinion. i don't see the problem....if someone is telling you they are giving you their opinion...it is what it is.

    i'll agree with you to an extent on o'riley b/c he tries to be "above it all" which is obviously BS....

    but i don't see anything wrong with guys like hannity saying here's my opinion, and it's why i believe it.

    Hannity and the format of that show is an "opinion" agenda leaning to the "right." It really isn't about the human individual, or common sense.
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