Airplane exhaust

RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited January 2008 in A Moving Train
Ok what exactly is this supposed to be?

Three planes flying in formation, the two outside ones turn on in mid air, the one in the middle emits nothing at the same altitude.

Were they dumping fuel, and is that what it looks like when planes dump fuel?

or is it just a nice CGI?

wierd...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2OdjQokJI8

edit: It looks more like 4 planes shutting off at different intervals.
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  • man i get really mad everytime I see those chemtrails. I see them almost everyday here in PR. Why do I get the feeling we are being fumigated.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    That's fucked up, and very scary.

    Seriously that could be anything...some fucking new age device to keep the sheep in line, keep us consuming, keep us paranoid, who knows.
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    You do realize it is most likely just condensation (clouds) being formed where the wing tips of the planes cause areas of low pressure. It is pretty basic science, you drop the pressure, and the temperature drops which causes the water vapour in the air to condense.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Hope your right. I fear the worst with these douchebags,
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Commy wrote:
    Hope your right. I fear the worst with these douchebags,

    If a government was trying to spray people with stuff, I am not sure that would really be an effective way to do it. I mean crop dusters have a very wide spray that actually falls onto the crops. This is a very narrow spray that stays in place.
  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    Google chemtrails.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Commy wrote:
    That's fucked up, and very scary.

    Seriously that could be anything...some fucking new age device to keep the sheep in line, keep us consuming, keep us paranoid, who knows.

    I mean come on dude. did someone in an uncle sam costume abuse you as a child?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Nevermind wrote:
    http://educate-yourself.org/ct/
    Its a pretty good site on chemtrails.
    there are now scores of internet propaganda web sites trying to convince you that 'everything is well' and 'there's nothing to be alarmed about' and that unaccountable 'jet plane exhaust' plumes are magically being converted into horizon-to-horizon overcasts of "cirrus clouds"


    :confused: wait who is selling what propaganda?
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Nevermind wrote:
    http://educate-yourself.org/ct/
    Its a pretty good site on chemtrails.

    That was probably the craziest site I have ever seen on the entire internet. So basically it is not low pressure condensation it is chemicals released by the government that are some how linked to UFO's and doing Yoga can make them go away. I didn't see the link on the page to where I can order a tinfoil hat so the government can't steal my thoughts.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    jlew24asu wrote:
    :confused: wait who is selling what propaganda?

    Yeah. Unfortunately I clicked on that link. Those people must be single-handedly keeping Alcoa in business creating a market for tin foil. Wacky shit.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    Go use google.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Nevermind wrote:
    Google chemtrails.

    google paranoia
  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    Google ignorance. I will not return to this thread.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    You won't see these chemtrails over Washington DC.

    Peace
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    g under p wrote:
    You won't see these chemtrails over Washington DC.

    Peace

    which would imply that the secret government agency that is in charge of this operation was obviously given orders not to spray over "home base" right?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Nevermind wrote:
    Google ignorance. I will not return to this thread.

    google, google. they have alot of cool shit!
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Someone could always google Charles' Gas Law. It has been around since 1787 and states that the temperature of a gas is directly proportional to its pressure. Which means if you drop the pressure of a gas (water vapour) its temperature will also drop, making it a liquid (which is what those clouds behind a plane are).
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Someone could always google Charles' Gas Law. It has been around since 1787 and states that the temperature of a gas is directly proportional to its pressure. Which means if you drop the pressure of a gas (water vapour) its temperature will also drop, making it a liquid (which is what those clouds behind a plane are).

    great idea

    http://www.chm.davidson.edu/ChemistryApplets/GasLaws/CharlesLaw.html

    Concepts

    The next significant advance in the study of gases came in the early 1800's in France. Hot air balloons were extremely popular at that time and scientists were eager to improve the performance of their balloons. Two of the prominent french scientists, Jacques Charles and Joseph-Louis Gay-Lussac, made detailed measurements on how the volume of a gas was affected by the temperature of the gas. Given the interest in hot air balloon at that time, it is easy to understand why these men should be interested in the temperature-volume relationship for a gas.

    Just as Robert Boyle made efforts to keep all properties of the gas constant except for the pressure and volume, so Jacques Charles took care to keep all properties of the gas constant except for temperature and volume. The equipment used by Jacques Charles was very similar to that employed by Robert Boyle. A quantity of gas was trapped in a J-shaped glass tube that was sealed at one end. This tube was immersed in a water bath; by changing the temperature of the water, Charles was able to change the temperature of the gas. The pressure was held constant by adjusting the height of mercury so that the two columns of mercury had equal height, and thus the pressure was always equal to the atmospheric pressure.

    Intuitively, it is expected that the volume of the gas will increase as the temperature increases. Is this relationship linear? A plot of V vs T can be used to test this hypothesis.

    If a decrease in temperature results in a decrease in volume, what happens if the temperature is lowered to a point where the volume drops to zero? A negative volume is obviously impossible, so the temperature at which the volume drops to zero must, in some sense, be the lowest temperature that can be achieved. This temperature is called absolute zero.
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    jlew24asu wrote:

    Isn't real science so much better than crazy made-up internet crap.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Isn't real science so much better than crazy made-up internet crap.

    yes it is Mr. Varnsen. its been a pleasure. :)
  • Isn't real science so much better than crazy made-up internet crap.


    And the plane in the center not emitting anything explains what exactly Kel?

    You are aware of the findings in Germany where meteorologists they have this stuff documented on weather radar maps and the military there admits they do it right?

    It's used to scramble satellite surveillance signals to provide ground camouflage during military exercises. They say they don't use very much during their training exercises, and it isn't harmful.

    Now if you believe that last past about it not being bad for the lungs, I have a financial offer from Nigeria you I can forward you..
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I mean come on dude. did someone in an uncle sam costume abuse you as a child?
    Not me.

    An American holocaust happens every year though, there is plenty of abuse. 11-13 million dead and dying, thanks to Uncle Sam and in no small part to its 'loans' from the IMF and WB. Countries have to meet certain structural adjustments before they can accept a loan, its a form of economic control. These countries the IMF "adjusts" (over 150 last count) and others have 11-13 million people dying from easily curable diseases or starvation every year. Every year, according to the UN. That's criminal.

    And we, the American people, let our gov't get away with this shit because we are too apathetic and ignorant to rise up and demand they stop-and maybe these chem trails have something to do with our apathy, maybe not. But a country that forces programs on gov'ts that end up killing 10 million people ever year is capable of anything.

    Question authority.
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    "Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death.”

    Any guesses who made those quotes?

    Adolph himself...
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  • I don't need conspiracy theories. The emissions from jet fuel is what I worry about. Soooo dirty.
    Jimmy Carter has disco fever.
  • And the plane in the center not emitting anything explains what exactly Kel?

    Whilst I am by no means an expert on contrails, the size and thickness of these particular trails look more like the condensation trails produced by engine exhaust (thicker- take on the appearence of cirrus clouds after a while), rather then the contrails produced by wingtip vortices (these tend to be thinner).

    If that is the case, then what is visible is merely a product of hydrocarbon combustion, and the trail itself is actually produced by water vapour (both from the plane, and in the atmosphere).

    It is also then helps us to explain the fact that the planes do not all produce contrails- as many factors, including engine efficiency and localised atmospheric conditions can affect the production of engine exhaust contrails.

    I could be wrong- but this is certainly one possible explanation.
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    And the plane in the center not emitting anything explains what exactly Kel?


    It's used to scramble satellite surveillance signals to provide ground camouflage during military exercises. They say they don't use very much during their training exercises, and it isn't harmful.

    The video is pretty bad, maybe the plane in the center is a different type of plane, with different shaped wings. As far as providing camouflage, wouldn't a long narrow strip in the sky pretty much be the most usless camouflage every (unless soldiers were marching in a very long narrow line).
    Now if you believe that last past about it not being bad for the lungs, I have a financial offer from Nigeria you I can forward you..

    I love that, I mean since I don't believe in crazy interenet conspiracy theories, then I am obviously the naive one.
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrails

    Wiki gives both sides of the issue. I guess it alll comes down to wether you trust the goverment or you dont. I dont, so I kind off fall on the side that believes the chemtrail theory. I believe that they are making us sick on purpose. I dont think they want us dead just sick so that we keep the pharmaceutical happy. Oh well nothing we can do about it.
  • The video is pretty bad, maybe the plane in the center is a different type of plane, with different shaped wings. As far as providing camouflage, wouldn't a long narrow strip in the sky pretty much be the most usless camouflage every (unless soldiers were marching in a very long narrow line).



    I love that, I mean since I don't believe in crazy interenet conspiracy theories, then I am obviously the naive one.

    It's a pretty clear video. How do you explain the abruptness of the trails with your atmosphere theory?

    Seriously though, think about it.

    And it is known that military uses aerosols to scramble radar signals.

    So there you have it. no conspiracy, just observation using the the senses.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrails

    Wiki gives both sides of the issue. I guess it alll comes down to wether you trust the goverment or you dont. I dont, so I kind off fall on the side that believes the chemtrail theory. I believe that they are making us sick on purpose. I dont think they want us dead just sick so that we keep the pharmaceutical happy. Oh well nothing we can do about it.

    But if the government is trying to make people sick there are too many unanswerable questions. I mean if a government wanted to spray people with something, why not spray people with something a little less visible. And why not use something that actually falls to the earth rather than something that stays in the sky. Plus wouldn't it be better to use something that is a wide spray that covers more area, like a crop duster. Seriously I think if the government wanted to do this, they could find a much more effective and covert way of doing it. And if it really is the government, why is this something I have been seeing since I was a kid and in that time there have been quite a few changes in government not to mention you see this in many countries (so are they all in on it even when there are changes in government?). Seriously, Occam's razor.
  • But if the government is trying to make people sick there are too many unanswerable questions. I mean if a government wanted to spray people with something, why not spray people with something a little less visible. And why not use something that actually falls to the earth rather than something that stays in the sky. Plus wouldn't it be better to use something that is a wide spray that covers more area, like a crop duster. Seriously I think if the government wanted to do this, they could find a much more effective and covert way of doing it. And if it really is the government, why is this something I have been seeing since I was a kid and in that time there have been quite a few changes in government not to mention you see this in many countries (so are they all in on it even when there are changes in government?). Seriously, Occam's razor.


    I get your skepticsm, but it doesnt matter if its visible most people just think its cloud formations and if the public ask they just deny it and say its all a conspiracy and anyone who dares questions it is called a crazy person. Because the goverment would never lie ;)
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