Noam Chomsky on U.S. Policy Towards Iran

RolandTD20Kdrummer

"Suppose it was true that Iran is helping insurgents in Iraq. I mean, wasn’t the United States helping insurgents when the Russians invaded Afghanistan? Did we think there was anything wrong with that? I mean, Iraq's a country that was invaded and is under military occupation. You can't have a serious discussion about whether someone else is interfering in it. The basic assumption underlying the discussion is that we own the world."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18772.htm

Yoyoyo

I am a big Noam Chomsky reader, and I can understand his logic with many things. Ideas Chomsky has in conjunction with Klein's book "Shock Doctrine" have colllided pretty hard with my own belief, particularily involving US foreign policy. Chomsky argues that the government is the one institution that the people are able to change, and I understand this. But in the same stroke, the government is the root of many problems that we face. Klein, in her book "The Shock Doctrine" gives life to the arguement that free market capitalism has been the underlying force in policy decisions of the neo-conservative movement. The thesis have been contrary to what I have been believing and understanding in the recent months, where limited government is where freedom and Liberty belong. Ordinarily I would always support the idea of government doing and knowing what is best for the population until recent times of government fucking it all up and doing the complete opposite of its intended perview. Where does political philosophy and political philosophy intersect? =(

quiet riot act

good thread


read the comments at the infoclearinghouse link
good stuff

spiral out

Checking out the comments page to this and i found this link interesting.


http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.co...ied- israel.html

Link needs to be copied and pasted as i can't get it to work.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

spiral out wrote:

Checking out the comments page to this and i found this link interesting.


http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.co...ied- israel.html

Link needs to be copied and pasted as i can't get it to work.

You mean this one? Amazon... a whipped company.
http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/11/amazoncom-has-just-re-classified-israel.html

I find it interesting to look at a map of the region ( http://www.flag-zone.com/img/continent/middle-east/map.gif ) and realize Iran has become surrounded by military occupation. Take into account the Shah bring implemented in the 50's, the Iran/Iraq war, and now this latest slam campaign to move in and take over.

!!!!!

trappedinmyradio

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

"Suppose it was true that Iran is helping insurgents in Iraq. I mean, wasn’t the United States helping insurgents when the Russians invaded Afghanistan? Did we think there was anything wrong with that? I mean, Iraq's a country that was invaded and is under military occupation. You can't have a serious discussion about whether someone else is interfering in it. The basic assumption underlying the discussion is that we own the world."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18772.htm

this discussion doesn't bother me...what bothers me is the lack of planning that this discussion indicates...if you are going to invade a country, don't be surprised when other people interfere...you should have seen that coming.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

but what does old Noam think of 9/11 truthers?

YouTube has some footage of Chomsky during a visit he made to Hungary in which he's asked about how the Bush administration benefited from 9/11 and wasn't that proof of its complicity somehow. Chomsky vigorously attacked the assumptions underlying the questions.

"Did the Bush administration gain from September 11?" asked Chomsky rhetorically. "The answer: yes. Does that tell you anything? No. Every authoritarian system gained from September 11, and it was immediately predictable."

Chomsky continues, stating that the Bushies would have to be "insane" to attempt 9/11, because something would have inevitably leaked out, "they'd all have been before firing squads," and that'd be the end of the Republican Party. Chomsky also correctly speaks of a large "industry" on the left producing books and videos feeding this growing tapeworm in the tummy of the liberal body politic.

"If you look at the evidence, anybody who knows anything about the sciences would instantly discount that evidence," said Chomsky of so-called troofer proof. "There's plenty of coincidences and unexplained phenomena. Why didn't this happen and why didn't that happen and so on. But if you look at a controlled scientific experiment, the same thing is true. When someone carries out a controlled scientific experiment at the best laboratories, at the end, there are a lot of things that are unexplained."

Chomsky relates that he's "pretty isolated" on the left when it comes to this conspiracy tripe. Still, he rejects it and calls it a waste of time, a dangerous diversion from real issues, and he compares it to the JFK conspiracy industry. This video of Chomsky I'm referring to has been out there for at least a year, and the troofers continue to berate and attempt to bait Chomsky in its aftermath. Once again, their unbalanced anger at Chomsky unmasks the fact that most troofies are lefties. They never get this mad at Fox News analysts, say.

smart guy that Noam

spiral out

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You mean this one? Amazon... a whipped company.
http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/11/amazoncom-has-just-re-classified-israel.html

I find it interesting to look at a map of the region ( http://www.flag-zone.com/img/continent/middle-east/map.gif ) and realize Iran has become surrounded by military occupation. Take into account the Shah bring implemented in the 50's, the Iran/Iraq war, and now this latest slam campaign to move in and take over.

!!!!!

Yea i was shocked that Amazon had done this. Don't ask me why, it's not really surprising.

Iran is going to war, there's no stopping it. America won't stop till it has control of every goverment that is of benefit to them, or it runs out of money.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

spiral out wrote:

Yea i was shocked that Amazon had done this. Don't ask me why, it's not really surprising.

Iran is going to war, there's no stopping it. America won't stop till it has control of every goverment that is of benefit to them, or it runs out of money.

I think China will put a pin to the war balloon if the US so much as sneezes on Iran, as the US dollar will most likely officially become toilet paper. It would be the stupidest thing ever for the US to make a move on Iran militarily. The history goes back almost 50+ years, and it's a deep wound. In my opinion, Iran will be the one step too far, and the entire house will com crashing down.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

MrSmith wrote:

but what does old Noam think of 9/11 truthers?




smart guy that Noam

Indeed. I hope more people would watch that lecture. I think it was at the world social forum.

I'd also recommend this article on JFK:

http://chomsky.info/articles/199209--.htm

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MrSmith wrote:

but what does old Noam think of 9/11 truthers?




smart guy that Noam

He's not entirely correct about that. Doing nothing was the participation.