Ron Paul talks common sense...
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Regardless of what anyone says. This is talking the most sense on this panel...no contest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYaBt5vhjX0
History will prove he was 100% on the money.
Let the ignorant hating begin...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYaBt5vhjX0
History will prove he was 100% on the money.
Let the ignorant hating begin...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I don't agree with everything he stands for, but his economy and foreign policy discussion just leave everyone in the dust.
The health care issue is something I struggle with though, but it is reassuring to know he's long time doctor, so I imagine he has excellent first hand experience in the medical system.
I still think socialized medicine is better for the health of a nation as a whole. It's more family, but I go back and forth on the money issues aspect.
I made a post ages ago that the current admin may be trying to tank the economy on purpose to establish the NAU. It would seem to be not that far off the mark looking back. It certainly all seems very deliberate. Insane spending.
There is a serious wealth shifting going on right now, and it's all based on lies and media manipulation. Really crazy shit.
edit: btw I liked how McCain TOTALLY dodged his question...he drifted off into another universe somewhere...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Ironically he drinks the least amount of Kool-aid, or was it purple grape juice?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I believe it was rat poison mixed with cyanide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Applewhite
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
But a couple of questions that have been buzzing in my head, if anyone can answer them (I would be grateful!)
If we nix the Fed, do we go back on the gold standard?
If we bring all the troops home, get rid of the Fed and the IRS, what are his plans to employ these folks? Sadly, more than just our troops depend on the war for their income. There are companies like Boeing and Halliburton (and many more) who will definitely suffer and who will have to start making layoffs.
And more importantly, does Ron Paul have a plan to avoid leaving a power vacuum in Iraq?
kevinbeetle: "Yes. When her career washes up and her and Gavin move to Galveston, you will meet her at Hot Topic shopping for a Japanese cheerleader outfit.
Next!"
Not a knock on Paul, just wondering?
-Greg Dulli
1. A Mayor with a war-track mind
2. A P.O.W. with a war-track mind
3. A Multi Million Dollar Mormon whow ants to help his buddies
4. A Religious Nut that thinks God still exists as a being somewhere
5. An Actor with an ego problem
No One Is Gonna Listen to a guy who says ''he is not part of that crowd''
we are all a part of ''that crowd'' for living here and putting up with it Paul.
I believe he does want to use some kind of stabilized monetary system, where money itself does not depreciate. Most would call this the gold standard.
I would say there is a burgeoning green energy program waiting to be developed and deployed across the US. This would be a better life service for the IRS folks etc... I think the jobs will be created as is required. I'm not sure that would a be a huge issue. I might be wrong, but people are remarkably resourceful when unified.
The Bush admin purposefully created the worst possible case scenario in Iraq by letting everything fall into utter chaos, then sprinkling guns everywhere, then disbanding the army to create combatants and further unrest. It was a calculated self destruction plan so that the they would have end endless job to do. Iraq was a make work project by the MIC, there's no question about it. So there's going to be some issues there, but first the puppets the Bush admin have installed everywhere there need to be removed. I don't think RP is blind to this. God knows the MIC will hound him every second of the day as a reminder for years to keep troops on the ground so as not to make the situation worse. I doubt he will even be allowed to create a power vacuum, but I think his mentality moving forward is the only type of resolve that is actually going to get results in Iraq. Everyone else just has their finger up their a** in indecision, and are just kidding themselves by pretending in order to appeal votes imo.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
thats a fairly inspiring set of clips. i can see it now, history is saying, "Lincoln who?".
keep up the good fight Roland-, tomorrow always comes someway.
to dust i guess,
forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
I'm gonnna take a stab at some of your questions, one cause you seem geniunie in your questions, and two for the sake of public discourse.
So. The Fed "vs." the Gold Standard.
Yes and No.
The bad news is we can't "nix the Fed". Or at least it is technicaly\legaly far too complex a machination that now defines the establishment (financial & political) for it to be "nixed" like that.
The good news is Ron Paul knows this (and yes, if you watch his numerous interviews he admits it would "not be possible" to "dismantle overnight") ... and his current proposal (as outlined in his recently released comprehensive economic recovery plan) is to do two things to bring immediate change without having to address the problems of actualy dismantling the Fed immediately (there are a bunch of problems, we could go on for a while)... anyhow .... two things:
1. Neuter the Federal Reserve
- Ammend the constitution to once again protect the public from the income tax, a tax which trespasses a fundamental right of man to exchange labor for pay ... and by eliminating the income tax, cripple the Fed by taking away the funds which serve as montly payments on inflation debt
- Further cripple the Fed by pulling back the curtain completely, keeping it from market manipulation by not only reinstating the M3 statistics ("the books" for the dollar in full, showing TOTAL inflation by all forms of debt issuance\monitization) but also by forcing the Fed Board to have its Federal "Open" (harhar) Market Committee meetings on camera LIVE (cspan? hello!)
2. Provide direct, true and real Free Market competition to the Federal Reserve's current issue fiat currency monopoly ... competition in the form of Constitutionaly recognized silver and gold.
I REALLY like this plan but that is not to say it is free from some "problems", though.
The american public is going to have to accept that this could still be a bumpy ride.
The government will have to rectify its spending problems quick, because the public will immediately be aware of the inflation they are creating ... this is further complicated by the fact that you will be showing the thoughtprocess for their rate decisions live on television (these meetings are currently released in note form at, i believe, a 3 week lag time) which will\can cause very severe realtime fluctuations of the financial markets.
The other big problem is by the dual acts of creating competing currency backed by (fully redeemable for!) real commodity value (gold or silver) AND at the same time showing the world how fundamentaly fucked the dollar is (M3 statistics were discontinued for a reason! real inflation is EXTREME!) ... the worth of the current "greenback" will be subject to the immediate and harsh scrutiny of multi-billion\trillion dollar investors.
Basicaly, the acts proposed could lead to a rapid collapse of the dollar.
The THING TO REMEMBER, though, is that we are headed for FuckedDollarGeddon anyhow ... the system is already heaving what a LOT of people to be belive as death throws ... so should we try to address the problem in a intelligent and direct but cautious manner? Or should we try to push it all in to the closet until it just falls open and kills us?
Your simplistic question, ending "do we return to the gold standard?" leaves me wondering if you are one of the MANY people in America (and i was one for a long time!) who believes that the gold standard is some idealized historic notion that is no longer workable do to the amount of gold in the world vs. the number of people or whatever reason you have ...
... let me just say, that i have done a fair amount of reading on the subject ... and 99% of what is proporters as a reason we can't have a gold standard is pure establishment bullshit to confuse the layman and keep him happy with worthless paper.
The only thing gold does, and the ONLY reason "THEY" do not want "YOU" to have a goldstandard is because by YOU having money worth something real, THEY lose the ability to "print" it for free ... and it LITERALY stops them from STEALING YOUR WEALTH!
I encourage anyone interested to start by reading Alan Greenspan's own writings on the subject ... Gold and Economic Freedom
Read that, and think long and hard about how bad we have been fucked over the last 100 years by this system, and how the real players KNOW THIS and it is why they don't want to tell you ... keep in mind that was what Greenspan wrote BEFORE he sold out to the system and became its little Gatekeeper of The Secrets of the Temple.
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I think Roland addressed these questions pretty well.
At some point the Iraqis, vis a vis their newly established government (thanks Bush! :rolleyes: ), will have to stand up and protect their own country from threats from within. If they can't find the collective resolve to do that now, WHEN do you think they will be ready, and how will we know?
The jobs question is a false concern, imho.
The defense industry is historicaly a cyclical industry that has in modern times , only with increasingly militant and imperial government, been granted the perenial status of ever-booming market champions.
When we end our warmongering ways, wether they go to "green" jobs or not, these people will have to suck it up like millions of americans ever since the rise of industry whom at countless times have fallen victim to the whims of the economic seasons. Jobs come and jobs go. Berkshire Hathaway (look it up if you don't know) was a textile manufacturing business ... that industry sure took a hit with the advent of "modern" machinery ...
... the end of the war in iraq will be the end of a business cycle. Period.
If I opened it now would you not understand?