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Who Killed the Electric Car?

RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited May 2007 in A Moving Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSBykAngDpY

electric car performance comparison (shocking)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqqtJpfZElQ

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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    all the solutions to a sustainable world are at our fingertips but we continue to be brainwashed by people who don't give a shit
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    polaris wrote:
    all the solutions to a sustainable world are at our fingertips but we continue to be brainwashed by people who don't give a shit

    It kinda hit me when they said there's still trillions of dollars worth of oil to be sold. It's so true, and they're milking it for every last drop.

    I'm going hybrid on my next car...It's to the point where I don't care what it looks like. Gas prices are going to become increasingly insane over the next 10+ years. Can you imagine the day when it's $100 to fill your tank? It's coming. It's already costs me just over $60 a tank now, which lasts about a week at the most. I want out of this gas business altogether...the sooner the better.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It kinda hit me when they said there's still trillions of dollars worth of oil to be sold. It's so true, and they're milking it for every last drop.

    I'm going hybrid on my next car...It's to the point where I don't care what it looks like. Gas prices are going to become increasingly insane over the next 10+ years. Can you imagine the day when it's $100 to fill your tank? It's coming. It's already costs me just over $60 a tank now, which lasts about a week at the most. I want out of this gas business altogether...the sooner the better.

    hybrid may or may not be your best option ... the ideal solution is to eliminate as much as possible your dependency on oil ...

    anyways - there is too much money to be made ... so, we have war and we have climate change - all inconsequential to these people ...
  • who's_pearljam?who's_pearljam? Posts: 2,104
    This is a pretty cool company:
    http://www.zapworld.com

    They've been working with companies in China and Brazil to import electric and hybrid vehicles. Those developing countries are more on the cutting edge for vehicles these days than the US.

    They have the tiniest and coolest little truck, the Zebra. haha,, I saw one and I want it for the city! It doesn't have a long range yet. Battery storage is still an issue, but they're trying. There's a solar roof option for it, too.
    They're also partnering with Lotus now for a high tech long range car.

    I'm researching solar for my house, and there are some state programs that help to underwrite photovoltaic systems. It's hard to get money, though, but the technologies are becoming more reasonably priced.

    Not THAT as much money goes into research yet, because companies haven't developed a way to put a meter on the sun and charge for it, yet!
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    polaris wrote:
    hybrid may or may not be your best option ... the ideal solution is to eliminate as much as possible your dependency on oil ...

    anyways - there is too much money to be made ... so, we have war and we have climate change - all inconsequential to these people ...

    The limited km range thing would be a problem for me. I'd go whole hog it was available. I think if we really wanted to switch to Hydrogen it could be done. I didn't think this before, but it's the oil folks pulling their underhanded strings keeping the market pinned down... It's just wrong. How many hundreds of millions does one need in life anyway? brutal...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    who's_pearljam? wrote:
    This is a pretty cool company:
    http://www.zapworld.com

    They've been working with companies in China and Brazil to import electric and hybrid vehicles. Those developing countries are more on the cutting edge for vehicles these days than the US.

    They have the tiniest and coolest little truck, the Zebra. haha,, I saw one and I want it for the city! It doesn't have a long range yet. Battery storage is still an issue, but they're trying. There's a solar roof option for it, too.
    They're also partnering with Lotus now for a high tech long range car.

    I'm researching solar for my house, and there are some state programs that help to underwrite photovoltaic systems. It's hard to get money, though, but the technologies are becoming more reasonably priced.

    Not THAT as much money goes into research yet, because companies haven't developed a way to put a meter on the sun and charge for it, yet!


    right on. this looks cool...thanks for the info.

    This in black or red would be trippy
    http://www.zapworld.com/ZAPWorld.aspx?id=310

    I'll have to keep my eye on this
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    The limited km range thing would be a problem for me. I'd go whole hog it was available. I think if we really wanted to switch to Hydrogen it could be done. I didn't think this before, but it's the oil folks pulling their underhanded strings keeping the market pinned down... It's just wrong. How many hundreds of millions does one need in life anyway? brutal...

    oh ... i don't think there are many commercial EV out now ... i meant that you might be better off getting a toyota yaris then a hybrid as the hybrid saves u gas in city traffic but if u do a lot of highway ... it uses just as much gas ...
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    polaris wrote:
    oh ... i don't think there are many commercial EV out now ... i meant that you might be better off getting a toyota yaris then a hybrid as the hybrid saves u gas in city traffic but if u do a lot of highway ... it uses just as much gas ...

    It's funny I have a 210HP turbocharged car right now, but I drive it so lightfooted that the boost hardly ever kicks in. I know it's pretty fast so I figure what's the point...I've had my fun.. I know what it does...and it just wastes money. I like watching people with 110HP or 150HP cars (vast majority) pretend they're all fast and tailgate me then pass me like they have some power thing going on.

    It is nice occasionally to give it some spirited driving...but the fun really isn't all that proportional anymore. I borrowed my friends Acura MDX for a few hours....that car is nsane you could actually notice the gas gauge going down every 15-20 mins. People who own Hummers must hate themselves financially.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It's funny I have a 210HP turbocharged car right now, but I drive it so lightfooted that the boost hardly ever kicks in. I know it's pretty fast so I figure what's the point...I've had my fun.. I know what it does...and it just wastes money. I like watching people with 110HP or 150HP cars (vast majority) pretend they're all fast and tailgate me then pass me like they have some power thing going on.

    It is nice occasionally to give it some spirited driving...but the fun really isn't all that proportional anymore. I borrowed my friends Acura MDX for a few hours....that car is nsane you could actually notice the gas gauge going down every 15-20 mins. People who own Hummers must hate themselves financially.

    actually ... i don't know if its true but i find it funny when there is like a big SUV out there doing like the speed limit on the highway ... by all accounts - we all should be but there is a part of me that is thinking - the faster dude drives the car the faster he's gotta pony up for gas!! ...

    anyhoo - driving can be fun ... get a 5-speed and u can make it as fun as u want ...
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    polaris wrote:
    actually ... i don't know if its true but i find it funny when there is like a big SUV out there doing like the speed limit on the highway ... by all accounts - we all should be but there is a part of me that is thinking - the faster dude drives the car the faster he's gotta pony up for gas!! ...

    anyhoo - driving can be fun ... get a 5-speed and u can make it as fun as u want ...

    Yeah driving faster in order to make it to the gas station in time... Or the people that pass you becasuse you're going speed limit and the light just turned red up ahead. People get into these really wierd power struggles when they drive. they just gotta be ahead then they slow down...until you pass them that is...then they zoom ahead of you again :rolleyes:

    Sometimes I blow away people that tailgate me just to give them the message. After a few moments there's usually about a good 30 car lengths between. The jerks will slowly pull up on you again and tailgate again. The nice people get the message and keep normal distance. I never tailgate anyone. It's such a crappy thing to do.

    My last car was a 6 speed stick...I have a 5 speed now...I'll never own an automatic car. The concept is downright nasty to me, it's kinda like driving for dummies :D

    I also have a supercharged seadoo that now makes a lovely garage ornamnent...not sure what to do with it.
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  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I'm going hybrid on my next car....

    a while back i read that the carbon footprint that is left when a prius is made is far more than the oil you save by driving one. just found it interesting. i guess toyota et al need to find a way of manufacturing these cars without creating so much pollution.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    i'm gonna buy a beater and convert it to electric with my buddy ... maybe it'll be running by next summer ...
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    As much as I like the idea of the electric car, it requires electricity! And typically, that's coal-burning electricity. So although we'd be getting away from oil with it, we're using another dirty alternative.

    I'd love to see a wind-powered or solar-powered car. :D
  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    polaris wrote:
    i'm gonna buy a beater and convert it to electric with my buddy ... maybe it'll be running by next summer ...
    how about converting a car to use biodiesel?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel

    your car can forever smell like french fries lol
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Jeanwah wrote:
    As much as I like the idea of the electric car, it requires electricity! And typically, that's coal-burning electricity. So although we'd be getting away from oil with it, we're using another dirty alternative.

    I'd love to see a wind-powered or solar-powered car. :D

    I agree... the idea of paying nothing for gas and no auto emissions sound great, but then you have to plug it in and pay electricity, not to mention all of the fossil fuels that power the power plant.

    We need a care with a clean, renewable fuel source... solar, hydrogen or whatever.

    The whole hybrid thing annoys me... people feel a lot better for driving them, but the mpg rating isn't all that much higher, especially if you are doing a lot of highway driving. I just think it's more of a step to make people feel better instead of a step to actually help/solve the problem.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    darkcrow wrote:
    how about converting a car to use biodiesel?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel

    your car can forever smell like french fries lol

    i thought about that one too ... i'm not big into the going to collect grease and then cleaning it part ...

    the place i stay at runs on supposed "green energy" so, i think electric is the way to go ...
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    Jeanwah wrote:
    As much as I like the idea of the electric car, it requires electricity! And typically, that's coal-burning electricity. So although we'd be getting away from oil with it, we're using another dirty alternative.

    I'd love to see a wind-powered or solar-powered car. :D

    yeah ... coal power has got to go ... with or without scrubbers ...
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Public transportation is really lacking in the US. Go to Europe..and you can survive without a car.....in the US..forget it. Live in Houston....Third or fourth larges us city..and mass transit is a joke...we have one train that goes couple miles through downtown..and thats it.

    As far as hybrids being not as great as one would think...thats okay...at least they are pursuing technology..that may one day be efficient.
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  • DerrickDerrick Posts: 475
    About a year ago, I traded in a Mustang for an Explorer. The SUV eats up more gasoline, but I am a lot more conscientious about wasting gas etc. I fill up about once every three weeks, and it's an 85L gastank. With the Mustang, it was also once per three weeks, but it was only a 55L tank.

    So, assuming I spend between 100 and 115 Canadian dollars per month on gasoline, I would be really curious to find out how much more I would have to pay in my Hydroelectric bill driving an electric car. We have nuclear power in this area so it's not technically burning a fossil fuel.
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    polaris wrote:
    yeah ... coal power has got to go ... with or without scrubbers ...

    What else is there really that can support our ever-growing electricity demands?
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    blackredyellow wrote:
    What else is there really that can support our ever-growing electricity demands?

    first of all - we can easily cut our consumption requirements - if people paid the true cost of electricity maybe we wouldn't waste so much of it ... i live an excessive north american lifestyle and i use 1/10th of what people use ...

    secondly - there are lot of renewable options out there ... but the oil and gas and coal lobbies are not interested in furthering those kind of causes ... that's why thing such as electric cars are not a reality ...
  • who's_pearljam?who's_pearljam? Posts: 2,104
    Jeanwah wrote:
    As much as I like the idea of the electric car, it requires electricity! And typically, that's coal-burning electricity. So although we'd be getting away from oil with it, we're using another dirty alternative.

    I'd love to see a wind-powered or solar-powered car. :D

    Wind powered would be great! Put a windmill on top and it'll generate the electricity for the car while you're tooling alongat 40 mph!
    Something seems wrong with those physics, though! :D

    Actually, electric cars are running much more efficiently than an internal combustion engine. There is no combustion so there are no added emissions to the air.
    Gasoline, ethanol and other fossil fuels need energy to manufacture, so they pollute the air at the refinery AND at the car tail pipe.
    Electric still needs that electric power plant, but don't emit at the tailpipe.

    If you look at this car:
    http://www.zapworld.com/ZAPWorld.aspx?id=188
    Allegedly it goes 25 miles on 4.5 Kilowatts of power. My electric company charges about $.15 per KW, so 25 miles would be about $.88 versus about $3.00 if you have a 25 mile per gallon gasoline car.

    I could even save more if I plug it into my nextdoor neighbor's electric outlet at night! :D
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    Derrick wrote:
    About a year ago, I traded in a Mustang for an Explorer. The SUV eats up more gasoline, but I am a lot more conscientious about wasting gas etc. I fill up about once every three weeks, and it's an 85L gastank. With the Mustang, it was also once per three weeks, but it was only a 55L tank.

    So, assuming I spend between 100 and 115 Canadian dollars per month on gasoline, I would be really curious to find out how much more I would have to pay in my Hydroelectric bill driving an electric car. We have nuclear power in this area so it's not technically burning a fossil fuel.

    your basic math would look like this ...

    take the km you drive on one charge divide it by how much electricity is required to charge the battery multipled by what you pay per kwh and u got your per km rate ... then multiply it over the 500 odd kms u are probably getting per tank on your suv ...
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    People living in California and Mexico and other places with approx 300 days a year of sun would kill going solar. An electric car in that scenario would be awesome. The sun is pumping it out in excess why not grab it up?

    There should be a huge top down movement to make solar panel technology dirt cheap and everywhere. I'm beginning to think it's not about going green, it's about keeping the populous leashed, downtrodden, and strictly under $ thumb.

    Power is power so to speak in any form I suppose. Why empower the people right?

    Damn...someone overthrow this greedy monkey on my back already.

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  • sicnevolsicnevol Posts: 180
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSBykAngDpY

    electric car performance comparison (shocking)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqqtJpfZElQ

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE2Yd-pTS-s

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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    sicnevol wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE2Yd-pTS-s

    no one, you can buy this now...........

    If I had the cash...My ultimate dream car is the Porsche Carrera GT http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.3dvalley.com/gallery/d/553-2/carrera800x800.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.3dvalley.com/gallery/v/M3D/carrera800x800.jpg.html&h=700&w=700&sz=52&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=8WTORegN46I3jM:&tbnh=140&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcarrera%2BGT%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3Dtu6%26sa%3DN http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/hirezpics/gt02_zoomed.jpg ....the tesla car is actually faster 0-60. Here's an interview with Elon Musk of Tesla Motors. To be a billionaire eh? This is what you do for kicks...make whatever you want....do whatever your want...whenever you want.... just stay alive and healthy.

    Oh...to dream.

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  • sicnevolsicnevol Posts: 180
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    If I had the cash...My ultimate dream car is the Porsche Carrera GT http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.3dvalley.com/gallery/d/553-2/carrera800x800.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.3dvalley.com/gallery/v/M3D/carrera800x800.jpg.html&h=700&w=700&sz=52&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=8WTORegN46I3jM:&tbnh=140&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcarrera%2BGT%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3Dtu6%26sa%3DN http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/hirezpics/gt02_zoomed.jpg ....the tesla car is actually faster 0-60. Here's an interview with Elon Musk of Tesla Motors. To be a billionaire eh? This is what you do for kicks...make whatever you want....do whatever your want...whenever you want.... just stay alive and healthy.

    Oh...to dream.



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  • who's_pearljam?who's_pearljam? Posts: 2,104
    sicnevol wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE2Yd-pTS-s

    no one, you can buy this now...........

    That's a great car.

    You can get this one too for $82,000 less! I think these are running about $12,000 with the solar panels.
    http://www.zapworld.com/ZAPWorld.aspx?id=390
    I'm actually thinking about getting this for my business. I'm known as a weirdo already, this just seals the deal! :D

    The problem with solar is that night driving!
    I'll bet it's also hell in the Holland Tunnel when the batteries are drained. Haha,,, I'd have to ask the car next to me if I could plug into their cigarette lighter
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