Israeli Sniper Takes 12-Year-Old Girl's Life

NCfan

Byrnzie wrote:

Tell that to the Algerians. Tell it to the Vietnamese.
Also...you think that India won independence from Colonial rule without violent protest? And you think the blacks in the U.S turned the other cheek?
What planet are you on?



Until people like yourself cease being passive supporters of Israeli terrorism and cease believing the pro-Israeli propaganda spewed out by the western media on a daily basis, then these atrocities will continue.

Good grief, what a bunch of stupid comparisons. Palestine is not some "colony" a thousand or ten thousand miles away. That makes a huge diffence.

But the glaring oversight on your part is that Israel has one of the most powerful militaries in the world, and Palestine basically doesn't have one at all. They have a bunch of small arms and suicide bombs.

Hate to break it to you buddy, but there is no way in the world that the Palestinians are going to win consessions from the Israelis with violence.

As we have all seen, whatever the Palestinians do out of violence will be revisited on them 10 fold.

It's people like you who give me no sympathy for the Palestinians. If they had a MLK or Ghandi type leader and the entire people decided to stop their half of the violence, then I would have TONS of sympathy toward them and would point my finger at Israel.

NCfan

spiral out wrote:

Why do you feel it is the Palestinians who need to change the way they behave? Surely that can also be said for the Israelis, what is it that gives the Israelis the right to treat people like this? Oh yes i forgot the unquestionable support from the west.

But yea it has nothing to do with the little girl, what are your thoughts on that?

The Palestinians need to change becuase their methods are futile! Would anybody care to debate that?

Israel is in no position to conceed anything due to voilence inflicted on them by the Palestinians. They can withstand whatever the Palestinians throw at them.

NCfan

spiral out wrote:

Why do you feel it is the Palestinians who need to change the way they behave? Surely that can also be said for the Israelis, what is it that gives the Israelis the right to treat people like this? Oh yes i forgot the unquestionable support from the west.

But yea it has nothing to do with the little girl, what are your thoughts on that?

The Palestinians need to change becuase their methods are futile! Would anybody care to debate that?

Israel is in no position to conceed anything due to voilence inflicted on them by the Palestinians. They can withstand whatever the Palestinians throw at them.

polaris

NCfan wrote:

The Palestinians need to change becuase their methods are futile! Would anybody care to debate that?

Israel is in no position to conceed anything due to voilence inflicted on them by the Palestinians. They can withstand whatever the Palestinians throw at them.

so ... if we're neighbours and i decide to take food from your garden and then i decide to build a shack in your yard and so on and so on ... are you saying you will do nothing?

fuck

NCfan wrote:

Good grief, what a bunch of stupid comparisons. Palestine is not some "colony" a thousand or ten thousand miles away. That makes a huge diffence.

So apparently, if you're a colony then violent protest works. If not, then it doesn't work? And where did you come up with that? Occupation is occupation. No matter where it is.

But the glaring oversight on your part is that Israel has one of the most powerful militaries in the world, and Palestine basically doesn't have one at all. They have a bunch of small arms and suicide bombs.

Hate to break it to you buddy, but there is no way in the world that the Palestinians are going to win consessions from the Israelis with violence.

As we have all seen, whatever the Palestinians do out of violence will be revisited on them 10 fold.

I'm really, really sick of how people seem to think that the Israelis are ALWAYS ONLY RESPONDING TO VIOLENCE FROM THE PALESTINIANS.
IN FACT, Israel has started the bloodshed MANY times, regardless of what your pathetic news sources will say.

I'm going to assume you're slow like the rest of them, so allow me to explain what I'm saying:
No matter what, the Palestinians will suffer under the Israelis. The Palestinians completely surrendering and marching the streets instead is so unrealistic that the fact you brought it up makes me wonder. You do understand that they've been oppressed for 60 years. They're not about to simply walk down the streets like MLK.

Also, even once they do that, what do you honestly think would happen? All the countries will suddenly go, "You know what? Let's just turn against Israel, and make them stop that... I can't wait till our next UN conference..." Do you know how many resolutions Israel has ignored? The US will still back up Israel, and give them plenty of money. your idea is so flawed and unrealistic that I don't see how you can think it would work.

It's people like you who give me no sympathy for the Palestinians. If they had a MLK or Ghandi type leader and the entire people decided to stop their half of the violence, then I would have TONS of sympathy toward them and would point my finger at Israel.

OH NO! NCFAN'S FIGURE IS POINTED RIGHT AT US GUYS!!! SHOULD WE STOP KILLING PALESTINIANS?!?!!?!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

NCfan wrote:

The Palestinians need to change becuase their methods are futile! Would anybody care to debate that?

Israel is in no position to conceed anything due to voilence inflicted on them by the Palestinians. They can withstand whatever the Palestinians throw at them.

The US will be tucking tail out of Iraq and the whole thing will be considered a failure militarily much like Vietnam, You do realize that right?

History shows us the mentality of "resistance is futile" does not pan out.

Commy

NCfan wrote:

The Palestinians need to change becuase their methods are futile! Would anybody care to debate that?

Israel is in no position to conceed anything due to voilence inflicted on them by the Palestinians. They can withstand whatever the Palestinians throw at them.

Except for the time they forced the entire Israeli military out of Lebanon, when they invaded all those years ago. With no resistance their would be no palestinian territires.

NCfan

Look you guys, I doubt there is an international border anywhere on Earth that wasn't formed or influenced by war or fighting.

Is this fair? No, it is not.

Should humans be better than this?
I think so, but I think we can all agree that we haven't gotten that far yet as a species.

Palestine lost a war in 1948, and ever since then Israel has been the dominant player in the region. Several more wars have ensued, and the Arabs have lost them all.

At this point, Israel's power is so great and deeply solidified that we cannot even comprehend their nation going away.

I'm not saying this is right or wrong. I'm not advocating Israel of anything they have done to get where they are. I'm just saying, DAMN, the Palestinians need to wise up and quit throwing generation after generation down the fucking shitter becuase of lost pride and religious fundamentalism.

I mean, does it make sense for American Indians to try and carve out a state of their own in the U.S.?

Do they deserve one?
Hell yes they do.

Where they fucked over in the 19th and 20th centuries?
Hell yes they were.

Same principle. Quit fighting a lost cause. Know when to hold'em and when to fold'em.

At this point, I think the Israelis and Palestinians are fighting out of pure hate. They hate each other so much, that they cannot fathom living together in peace.

shadowcast

What if the world decides to start giving back land to the American Indians? Places like Chicago, New York, etc...etc. But, the Indians (i mean no disrespect here) were very, very smart and staring progressing faster than us and making changes to our cities against our beliefs of our free country that we have here. For example taxes us higher on our resources, knocking down land marks...etc...etc. Would you fight back?

josevolution

They hate each other so much, that they cannot fathom living together in peace.


this quote above is totally true they will never ever coexist let alone live next to eachother in peace .......

fuck

NCfan wrote:

Look you guys, I doubt there is an international border anywhere on Earth that wasn't formed or influenced by war or fighting.

Is this fair? No, it is not.

Should humans be better than this?
I think so, but I think we can all agree that we haven't gotten that far yet as a species.

Palestine lost a war in 1948, and ever since then Israel has been the dominant player in the region. Several more wars have ensued, and the Arabs have lost them all.

At this point, Israel's power is so great and deeply solidified that we cannot even comprehend their nation going away.

I'm not saying this is right or wrong. I'm not advocating Israel of anything they have done to get where they are. I'm just saying, DAMN, the Palestinians need to wise up and quit throwing generation after generation down the fucking shitter becuase of lost pride and religious fundamentalism.

I mean, does it make sense for American Indians to try and carve out a state of their own in the U.S.?

Do they deserve one?
Hell yes they do.

Where they fucked over in the 19th and 20th centuries?
Hell yes they were.

Same principle. Quit fighting a lost cause. Know when to hold'em and when to fold'em.

At this point, I think the Israelis and Palestinians are fighting out of pure hate. They hate each other so much, that they cannot fathom living together in peace.

lost pride and religious fundamentalism?

christ, i shouldn't even waste my time with you.

And yeah, pure hate, that's why the palestinians are fighting back. it's the only logical explanation.

Abookamongstthemany

_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

lost pride and religious fundamentalism?

christ, i shouldn't even waste my time with you.

And yeah, pure hate, that's why the palestinians are fighting back. it's the only logical explanation.

I was about to say the same thing. They are not fighting for those things as much as they don't want to be wiped off the map.

I'm sure NC Fan would just lie down and allow his family and home to be bulldozed over or shot to death just because the people who were doing it had more power and numbers. I'm sure he would see defending his home and his very life as futile and give up. Riiight.

I respect people who try peaceful, diplomatic approaches and think it's always be the best way but there comes a time when you're forced to defend yourself or die out.

forgotten_child

While Israel occupies....there will be resistance...

push me and i will resist...


no justice no peace...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

NCfan wrote:

. Quit fighting a lost cause. Know when to hold'em and when to fold'em.

At this point, I think the Israelis and Palestinians are fighting out of pure hate. They hate each other so much, that they cannot fathom living together in peace.

Never say die... and they won't. What doesn't kill you altogether makes you stronger

It's a nice game of ping pong....a mouse v.s. an elephant...

rage against tm

sorry to be a bummer but i've been wondering lately? what if.... we stoped medeling in other governments? trying to "give" other countries democracy?what if we stopped giving any government that showed agression $$, what if we tried to talk to our enemies, and a arab/ israeli solution... everyone go to your own room and stay there? israeli jews would say we aren't supporting them but is this any way to live? with your neighbors?your children all bleed the same, all soldiers or terrorists(soldiers also but without a government to back them)are someones child. scars from our own wars can still be felt at getteysburg, at pine ridge these 2 places and many more they say you can still hear moans in the night. a better way?

rage against tm

and now i'm pissed cause native rights are never a lost cause, at least we have to remind you of injustice because it must surely bother someone or they wouldn't forget to mention it in school text books. revisionist history won't take the boood stains away. never will i stand silently as someone mentions thanksgiving(the day the colonists burned a long house to the ground during a religious celebration and killed all inside while no whites were harmed) check it on net...it sure don't make me hungry, or forget wounded knee 1 unarmed people, women w children at breast mowed down, children, old folks, or wounded knee 2 caused because of stealing by BIA and refusal to acknoledge treaties, or leonard pelitier sitting in a fed pen cause evidence to free him is security secret?ha poisioned water,raped land,stinking air,what use would this land be if returned? everything was taken, but my voice will honor the ancestors till it is silenced, only a ghost dance could cure the ill

Byrnzie

NCfan wrote:

The Palestinians need to change becuase their methods are futile! Would anybody care to debate that?

Israel is in no position to conceed anything due to voilence inflicted on them by the Palestinians.

Yeah, I'll refute that. You're talking bollocks. Until the 1972 Munich olympics nobody had even heard of the PLO. That violent act brought their cause to the worlds attention.

And as far as Israel not being in a position to conceed anything due to Palestinian violence...that's like saying the Apartheid regime was in no position to conceed anything due to ANC violence.
Your point is completely redundant.

Byrnzie

josevolution wrote:

They hate each other so much, that they cannot fathom living together in peace.


this quote above is totally true they will never ever coexist let alone live next to each other in peace .......

Whose this 'they' that you speak of? You honestly think there are no people on either side who want peace? If so, then you're wrong. The only side that has blocked every effort at a two-state solution over the past 60 years is Israel, in cahoots with the U.S. Just take a look at the resolutions. Every single U.N resolution calling for a two-state solution has been singularly vetoed by the U.S, in defiance of world opinion.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

In order to achieve peace you need to achieve balance.

What we have now is total imbalance. One side getting billions of support dumped on it, and the other side getting the basic necessities of daily life taken away from it.

This only fuels resistance which in turn fuels the conflict. It's not rocket science. Pretty much any run of the mill relationship advisor can provide this information quite readily (to those that will listen).

It's a lot like tuning a drum head actually for anyone that has ever tried it.

NCfan

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I was about to say the same thing. They are not fighting for those things as much as they don't want to be wiped off the map.

I'm sure NC Fan would just lie down and allow his family and home to be bulldozed over or shot to death just because the people who were doing it had more power and numbers. I'm sure he would see defending his home and his very life as futile and give up. Riiight.

I respect people who try peaceful, diplomatic approaches and think it's always be the best way but there comes a time when you're forced to defend yourself or die out.

Lol, you talk about the Palestinians being wiped off the map...... give me a fuckin break. If Israel wanted to do that, it would have happened decades ago! I mean, shit they have had a few different wars in which they could have gone all the way and annialated the Palestinians to oblivion - yet they haven't.

If anything, it's the Israeli's who are under threat. The current leadership of the Palestinian territories is Hamas. Pop quiz... does anybody know what the stated goal of Hamas is???

It's the destruction of Israel. Everybody knows this... it's not even contestable. Hamas does not want a two state solution.

This is why we have problems.

It's not about figuring out how two states would work. The problem is that one side doesn't want the other to exist. They just don't have the means to make it happen.

They will fight forever until the Palestinians give up that pipe dream. Until then, they deserve what comes to them.