Are human beings really so different from animals?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Or are we just more "specialized" than others through adaption to our environment?

Cuttlefish are descendants of the slug, however, through time they have adapted most extraordinarily to levels seemingly unimaginable.

So you can appreciate what you are seeing...all cuttlefish are white and colorless. Any color or texture they exhibit is a thought process created intentionally by them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x-8v1mxpR0

So...from a slug to a Cuttlefish. What were humans originally then?... or... what was the slug before the slug? Are cuttlefish that much more incredible and special than us to develop so vastly while we have styed the same? ....Man was supposedly created in gods image... so I guess god is a blob or mass of something looking nothing at all like us.

The reality of evolution before your very eyes....

Watch:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/preview/i_3404.html

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dunkman

yes...

we have cars, guns, bands, internet porn and cheesecake...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

dunkman wrote:

yes...

we have cars, guns, bands, internet porn and cheesecake...

I guess you skipped the understanding part...

sicnevol

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I guess you skipped the understanding part...

in my house we have a thumb rule. I have the thumbs so I rule.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

sicnevol wrote:

in my house we have a thumb rule. I have the thumbs so I rule.

rule....and that means what exactly?

strip away the inorganic elements of man's creation and I like to see your thumb rule things in the wild...

dude...you'd be dinner...

Ahnimus

Bacteria had just as long to evolve as we had.

In-fact our brains are very very similar. Ours are a bit superior.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Ahnimus wrote:

Bacteria had just as long to evolve as we had.

In-fact our brains are very very similar. Ours are a bit superior.

I believe it's all purely environmental influence and the "pressures" imposed therein. 1 tiny highly evolved virus can wipe us all out. Impose a pressure on a strain of bacteria and it inflicts growth and adaptation over successive generations.

I find it interesting that many animals look the same because they have evolved to perfection. The Thomson's gazelle is a good example of this. There are bound tightly in a particular form of existence (hunted agressively) so they remain the same. they are niched or fated to a specific condition of existence.

Only when the genetic composition begins to break down do we see wider variation in a species. Like man for example....we all look different as our gene pool is degrading somewhat from a integrity perspective. Babies that would normally not survive in the wild are kept alive now. We are changing our natural course of nature, and introducing undesirable elements.

All cause and effect.

We are just animals 2.0...

sicnevol

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

rule....and that means what exactly?

strip away the inorganic elements of man's creation and I like to see your thumb rule things in the wild...

dude...you'd be dinner...

it was a joke dude, lighten up.

pps, I hunt or grow most of my food when in the states, so I think I'd do just fine.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

sicnevol wrote:

it was a joke dude, lighten up.

pps, I hunt or grow most of my food when in the states, so I think I'd do just fine.

huh? I'm not angry....just stating facts on a highly misunderstood issue.

Looking for intelligent discussion that's all. My point is that when naked, like all other animals, were are not so for removed as to be divine. Outside of our element we are much less than many animals in terms of survival and dominance.

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sicnevol

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

huh? I'm not angry....just stating facts on a highly misunderstood issue.

Looking for intelligent discussion that's all. My point is that when naked, like all other animals, were are not so for removed as to be divine. Outside of our element we are much less than many animals in terms of survival and dominance.

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indeed but we do have some advatages. even naked we can invent tools.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

sicnevol wrote:

indeed but we do have some advatages. even naked we can invent tools.

We are specialized in some regards...but so are other animals. We can't camouflage our skin, or live underwater so well, or possess the superior strength, speed, and agility of some. tit for tat...same deal..

lucylespian

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

rule....and that means what exactly?

strip away the inorganic elements of man's creation and I like to see your thumb rule things in the wild...

dude...you'd be dinner...

Do0n't under-rate thiumbs.
We don't lock ourselves into a behavioural niche, we use our thumbs and our brains to enable us to survive from deserts to mountaintops to snowfields to outer space. Instead of relying on "organic elelments" as you put it, we survive by being able to manipulate inorganic ones. Like the spring I suspect you have in your aneurysm.

No, I don't think we are very different. I use lots of behavioural analogies, esp for boy behaviour , between my colts and human boys. I use adolescent albatross behaviour to teach parents not to ground their children.
I think ahnimus needs to get his bolts tightened if he thinks bacteria have brains, but other mammals certainly do. The fuirther animlas get from us evolution wise, the less we resemble each other in behaviour, other than infra-species competition, that never goes away.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

lucylespian wrote:

Do0n't under-rate thiumbs.
We don't lock ourselves into a behavioural niche, we use our thumbs and our brains to enable us to survive from deserts to mountaintops to snowfields to outer space. Instead of relying on "organic elelments" as you put it, we survive by being able to manipulate inorganic ones. Like the spring I suspect you have in your aneurysm.

No, I don't think we are very different. I use lots of behavioural analogies, esp for boy behaviour , between my colts and human boys. I use adolescent albatross behaviour to teach parents not to ground their children.
I think ahnimus needs to get his bolts tightened if he thinks bacteria have brains, but other mammals certainly do. The fuirther animlas get from us evolution wise, the less we resemble each other in behaviour, other than infra-species competition, that never goes away.

yeah thumbs for us...fins for fish... wings for birds...etc...etc... same deal... same advantage. I'm not seeing one over the other given environmental influence. It's all the same.

Like the spring relating to an aneurysm?.....what exactly is that?

Smellyman2

Another animal w/ opposable thumbs

http://www.wnckids.com/images/vop.jpg.

Plus chimps, orangs and other old world primates have 4, not just 2.

sicnevol

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

yeah thumbs for us...fins for fish... wings for birds...etc...etc... same deal... same advantage. I'm not seeing one over the other given environmental influence. It's all the same.

Like the spring relating to an aneurysm?.....what exactly is that?

i'm not saying yeah for an apendage.

When have you seen a bird start a fire with its wings? I'm not saying I'm any better than an animal, just that the HUGE brain I have makes it easier for me to adapt.

Plus did you ever think that just for you to be here, you human precursers had to live in the wild and not be dinner.

You in yourself are a sucess in nature.

Ithink he was saying you have a hole in your brain.

Abuskedti

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Or are we just more "specialized" than others through adaption to our environment?

Cuttlefish are descendants of the slug, however, through time they have adapted most extraordinarily to levels seemingly unimaginable.

So you can appreciate what you are seeing...all cuttlefish are white and colorless. Any color or texture they exhibit is a thought process created intentionally by them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x-8v1mxpR0

So...from a slug to a Cuttlefish. What were humans originally then?... or... what was the slug before the slug? Are cuttlefish that much more incredible and special than us to develop so vastly while we have styed the same? ....Man was supposedly created in gods image... so I guess god is a blob or mass of something looking nothing at all like us.

The reality of evolution before your very eyes....

Watch:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/preview/i_3404.html

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no, not at all... The ants think they are smart too

Mookie Baylock

Our opposable thumbs aren't what made up who we are today though. We had opposable thumbs and free hands (because we were walking on 2 feet) long before we had the brains required to do much with them.

I'd suggest that our success as a very vulnerable species several million years ago is that the females developed the menstral cycle instead of the eustrus cycle that other mammals have. It allowed a female to produce a baby a year as opposed to a chimp which only can have one about every 5 years. This allowed a huge population and easily replaced babies. A huge population means more diversity and when the weak were killed, which they probably were ALOT, the strong survived putting natural selection into fast forward, so to speak, leading from chimp like anscestors to us in just over 5 million years.

That's my theory anyway for what its worth. And I'm pretty well versed in this subject. Regardless, I think the development of the menstraul cycle is themost significan/unique adaptation in human history.

deadnothingbetter

so i guess we should give life-sentence to all those that eat at burger king and kfc.

Collin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/chimps/

onelongsong

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Or are we just more "specialized" than others through adaption to our environment?

Cuttlefish are descendants of the slug, however, through time they have adapted most extraordinarily to levels seemingly unimaginable.

So you can appreciate what you are seeing...all cuttlefish are white and colorless. Any color or texture they exhibit is a thought process created intentionally by them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x-8v1mxpR0

So...from a slug to a Cuttlefish. What were humans originally then?... or... what was the slug before the slug? Are cuttlefish that much more incredible and special than us to develop so vastly while we have styed the same? ....Man was supposedly created in gods image... so I guess god is a blob or mass of something looking nothing at all like us.

The reality of evolution before your very eyes....

Watch:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/preview/i_3404.html

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humans ARE animals. the difference is our free will. if i am hungry and see a loaf of bread; i can choose to steal it or remain hungry. a hungry animal will steal the bread based in it's instinct for survival.

God created us in his image; then put us in this "vehicle" for our life on earth. the "image" is not our human image; but the image that goes on after this body or vehicle dies.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I think people get too caught up in where we are now. If you regress our intelligence a bit and plop us down somewhere in Africa....were just like the rest of everything else living and breathing and swimming. Even North America 500 years a go...we've killed practically everything threatening already, it was a different place back then. Anywhere for that matter that man hasn't trampled on.

Too often I see society heading towards a serious disconnect with reality in this regard....