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Nice bit on Israelis and Palestinians...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahzapRoyItk
...you see bad things happened in Germany so now if you question the practices of bulldozing homesteads and taking land through lethal force, you get the anti-semetic label and the holocaust is immediately brought up as justification for this wonderful behavior.
That makes perfect sense...and it happens all the time....so much that it's kind of like an automatic thing now devoid of thought.
Oh the logic of it all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahzapRoyItk
...you see bad things happened in Germany so now if you question the practices of bulldozing homesteads and taking land through lethal force, you get the anti-semetic label and the holocaust is immediately brought up as justification for this wonderful behavior.
That makes perfect sense...and it happens all the time....so much that it's kind of like an automatic thing now devoid of thought.
Oh the logic of it all...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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But...but...the Israelis are merely defending themselves against rocket attacks!!
Did you just say they use the Holocaust to justify their behavior? Don't you know what happened in the Holocaust or must you be reminded for the 459,394,527,718,294th time? The only logical explanation for this is that you are anti-semetic. Shouldn't you be at some Holocaust denial meeting?
That's what I'll tell the judge next time I commit murder... "uhh...yeah but the holocaust..."
He'll say Oh...ok right...you're free to go...next case...you get a free pass to murder people...carry on...
See the logic.... isn't it incredible?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I think if you ever go through the gears of the "Israel /Palestine" discussion with and pro Israeli viewpoints the first two things that get thrown in your face are the holocaust (being a denier of) and being anti-semitic (if you question Israel)
must be strikingly apparent by now I'm sure
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I know, they try to make me sympathise for them all the time.
Is that kinda like comparing the AMOUNT of deaths Isreal is capable of versus the much smaller amount the Palestinians are able to inflict, and using that to garner support via sympathy? Im just askin.
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There's a difference between the past and what's happening in the present.
We can only change one of those.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
and just as much claim to said land.
People can't say "forge the past" when the entire thing is based on PAST claims to the land.
And I'm not taking sides. I think both sides are pieces of shit
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They both are wrong in killing and terrorizing the other. But one side is using excessive force and destruction and that side just happens to be aided and funded by our gov't.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I don't get it....it blows my mind how brainwashed people get over religion, and what it makes them do to each other...
Israel will continue to expand it's population in the region by bulldozing and evicting people unlawfully from their land. The Palestinians will be forced to stand down and obey, or they will suffer and perish inhumanely until they finally are exterminated. In a nutshell, that's basically how it's going to go. I don't see any alternatives popping up any time soon.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Arent they both using exessive force and destruction?
It just never seems to me, with some people, that their only beef with it all is the US involvement. Seems to be a lot of resentment towards Israel, just for being Israel. If the US stopped all support of Israel and Israel still went on doing what they do, would your tune change? Does noone back the Palestinians?
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If the palestinians have so much support, where is it? Why do they live in horrific conditions while Israelis live nicely. The palestinians don't even have access to hospitals and basic needs very often and the Israelis refuse to let them gain that access.
I don't resent Israel or it's people but I do resent their inhumane treatment of the Palestinians.
And no, they both are not using equal amounts of force....not even remotely close. If the US withdrew their support it would make the situation a bit better, to me but I would still speak out against the violence and I would continue to speak out more against the side who is using the more of it. That only makes sense.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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http://www.counterpunch.org/nader03082008.html
"The world’s largest prison—Gaza prison with 1.5 million inmates, many of them starving, sick and penniless—is receiving more sympathy and protest by Israeli citizens, of widely impressive backgrounds, than is reported in the U.S. press.
In contrast, the humanitarian crisis brought about by Israeli government blockades that prevent food, medicine, fuel and other necessities from coming into this tiny enclave through international relief organizations is received with predictable silence or callousness by members of Congress, including John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. The contrast invites more public attention and discussion.
Israel has militarily occupied Gaza for forty years. It pulled out its colonials in 2005 but maintained an iron grip on the area controlling all access, including its airspace and territorial waters. Its F-16s and helicopter gunships regularly shred more and more of the areas—public works, its neighborhoods and inflict collective punishment on civilians in violation of Article 55 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. As the International Red Cross declares, citing treaties establishing international humanitarian law, “Neither the civilian population as a whole nor individual civilians may be attacked.”
According to The Nation magazine, the great Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem, reports that the primitive rockets from Gaza, have taken thirteen Israeli lives in the past four years, while Israeli forces have killed more than 1,000 Palestinians in the occupied territories in the past two years alone. Almost half of them were civilians, including some 200 children.
The Israeli government is barring most of the trucks from entering Gaza to feed the nearly one million Palestinians depending on international relief, from groups such as the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA). The loss of life from crumbling health care facilities, disastrous electricity cutoffs, gross malnutrition and contaminated drinking water from broken public water systems does not get totaled. These are the children and their civilian adult relatives who expire in a silent violence of suffering that 98 percent of Congress avoids mentioning while extending billions of taxpayer dollars to Israel annually. UNRWA says “we are seeing evidence of the stunting of children, their growth is slowing.” Cancer patients are deprived of their chemotherapy, kidney patients are cut off from dialysis treatments and premature babies cannot receive blood-clotting medications.
The misery, mortality and morbidity worsens day by day. Here is how the commissioner-general of UNRWA sums it up, “Gaza is on the threshold of becoming the first territory to be intentionally reduced to a state of abject destitution, with the knowledge, acquiescence and-some would say-encouragement of the international community.”
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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