The Flouridation debate

RolandTD20Kdrummer
RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited March 2008 in A Moving Train
In industrialized societies, how many people are so poor they have no access to a toothbrush and toothpaste is what I'm wondering.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/brain/

video debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMhboAX4CMU
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  • Jzacur
    Jzacur Posts: 64
    "Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face. "

    Sorry I can never think about said topic without referencing Dr. Strangelove
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  • Rats of Multa
    Rats of Multa Posts: 250
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    In industrialized societies, how many people are so poor they have no access to a toothbrush and toothpaste is what I'm wondering.

    http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/brain/

    video debate:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMhboAX4CMU


    all this time and that is what you've been wondering??

    clearly this is a grand conspiracy!

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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Rats of Multa wrote:
    all this time and that is what you've been wondering??

    clearly this is a grand conspiracy!

    :)

    LOL where does one come up with this stuff? I never thought I'd meet someone who's been to the end of the internet and back.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Rats of Multa wrote:
    all this time and that is what you've been wondering??

    clearly this is a grand conspiracy!

    :)

    The argument is purely against tooth decay v.s. the associated health issues.

    How much does toothpaste cost in your neck of the woods?

    seen many people so poor they can't afford a toothpaste in industrialized societies have you?

    So ask yourself why is it still in the water then regardless of how you want to perceive it.
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • wolfbear
    wolfbear Posts: 3,965
    I think like most things, there are positives and negatives. I voted against it in our city, but in some areas it might be beneficial. :)
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    wolfbear wrote:
    I think like most things, there are positives and negatives. I voted against it in our city, but in some areas it might be beneficial. :)


    Yeah but...what areas? Third world perhaps... Drinking water is not going to brush your teeth for you, and everyone brushes their teeth. Are we talking some kind of dental crutch forcefully imposed in modernized societies to help compensate for the lazy people that don't brush or what? that seems not appropriate. given the effects noted on the brain.

    Even if there was one health risk to cause damage to the brain, it should be dumped, and people should do what their parents told them as children.

    I'm glad I don't drink fluoride. Studies have shown it lowers the IQ.
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Yeah but...what areas? Third world perhaps... Drinking water is not going to brush your teeth for you, and everyone brushes their teeth. Are we talking some kind of dental crutch forcefully imposed in modernized societies to help compensate for the lazy people that don't brush or what? that seems not appropriate. given the effects noted on the brain.

    Even if there was one health risk to cause damage to the brain, it should be dumped, and people should do what their parents told them as children.

    I'm glad I don't drink fluoride. Studies have shown it lowers the IQ.

    studies? what studies? perhaps the people in those studies were stupid to begin with. the water i drink is flouridated and i have no doubt my IQ has not suffered. nor has that of my children. or anyone else i know who wasnt stupid in the first place. :p:D
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    catefrances wrote:
    studies? what studies? perhaps the people in those studies were stupid to begin with. the water i drink is flouridated and i have no doubt my IQ has not suffered. nor has that of my children. or anyone else i know who wasnt stupid in the first place. :p:D

    according to data provided the first link in the OP...
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • ClimberInOz
    ClimberInOz Posts: 216
    That is an interesting study, but is a long way short of conclusive proof. There are many other variables that might have caused that difference in IQ. Schools, diet, other sources of flouride that occur naturally or from indoor burning of coal (I know the study reffered to coal pollution levels, but it did not specifically address the frequency of indoor coal burning- one of the biggest factors in flouride exposure in China).

    Show me another 5 independent studies, which better control the variables and you will certainly have my interest. But for now I think the weight of evidence indicates that flouridated drinking water (at a certain level- remember, flouride occurs in our drinking water naturally, we just top up the amount a litle) is good for teeth and has no statistically significant health risks.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    ClimberInOz wrote:
    That is an interesting study, but is a long way short of conclusive proof. There are many other variables that might have caused that difference in IQ. Schools, diet, other sources of flouride that occur naturally or from indoor burning of coal (I know the study reffered to coal pollution levels, but it did not specifically address the frequency of indoor coal burning- one of the biggest factors in flouride exposure in China).

    Show me another 5 independent studies, which better control the variables and you will certainly have my interest. But for now I think the weight of evidence indicates that flouridated drinking water (at a certain level- remember, flouride occurs in our drinking water naturally, we just top up the amount a litle) is good for teeth and has no statistically significant health risks.

    some say it's fine, other studies are finding something entirely different. I'll skip the bone cancer, and opt for the tooth brush scenario

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy#Further_problems_assigned_to_water_fluoridation
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