David Cole - Behind The Gates Of Auschwitz

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Things that make you go hmm...

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=976870941610001004&q=David+Cole+-+The+Truth+Behind+The+Gates&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

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i see none of the conspiracy nuts are brave enough to tackle this one. yet. Its only a matter of time...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MrSmith wrote:

i see none of the conspiracy nuts are brave enough to tackle this one. yet. Its only a matter of time...

Following Cole's logic the Russian propaganda machine was just as adept at as the German. Germany lost, so naturally the victor tells the tales as to how bad they were. The human soap and human skin for lampshades folklore has been proven scientifically to be false.

Cole makes some very good points and observations, and census figures do appear to lend credit as well.

It would not be the first time there has been blatant propaganda during times of war to put it lightly, and we all know Russia suffered tremendous losses at the hands of the Germans so naturally they would have the most despicable tales and rhetoric to speak about them.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Official figures for deaths at Auschwitz were reduced from 4 million to 750,000.

Not only Jews suffered during the holocaust many others did as well. Looking at all the facts and circumstances, I believe the Holocaust was exaggerated, and fell victim to wartime propaganda. If the goal was extermination why gas first, then burn? Why not just burn? No gas chambers tested were found to contain traces of gas, yet the delousing chambers did... Why the (kyklon b) delousing chambers to keep everything sanitary (clothing) if the goal is extermination in the first place? Why have barracks and bother to feed people....why not just instant extermination?

This vid also raises a bunch of other good points never mentioned in history books...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6759022809518563654&q=jim+condit&total=79&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Collin

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

If the goal was extermination why gas first, then burn? Why not just burn? No gas chambers tested were found to contain traces of gas, yet the delousing chambers did... Why the (kyklon b) delousing chambers to keep everything sanitary (clothing) if the goal is extermination in the first place? Why have barracks and bother to feed people....why not just instant extermination?

Perhaps it was easier to get people into a gas chamber than into an oven? Why keep everything sanitary? There were probably guards who wanted to stay louse-free? I also think the prisoner had to work, starved people do not work well, I guess. And who says people didn't die of starvation or lack of medical care?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Collin wrote:

Perhaps it was easier to get people into a gas chamber than into an oven? Why keep everything sanitary? There were probably guards who wanted to stay louse-free? I also think the prisoner had to work, starved people do not work well, I guess. And who says people didn't die of starvation or lack of medical care?

If the goal was to kill as many as quickly as possible (aka death camp) then why even feed people, house people, provide shoes and clothing, delouse laundry etc...at all?

Sounds more like a regular prisoner of war camp rather than an extermination camp.

Perhaps death was not the goal but a consequence. It seems unusual that anyone would do this if the point was purely extermination..

The official gas chamber at Auschwitz had a thin glass window in the door, and the so called roof vents to drop the gas in were actually built after the war....an no traces of gas were found on the bricks when this chamber was chemically tested.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Some claim Hitler and the holocaust was a means to create a living (cleansing) hardship in order to insert increasingly apathetic (and comfortable) Jews into Palestine by hardcore Zionists. Jews were starting to integrate (marry) into society, the bloodline was fading, and this was not desirable to some very influential and extremely wealthy people. Ragardless Hitler was a key element in establishing Israel. Never underestimate the power of religion and biblical prophecy in the minds of some (very wealthy and powerful) men.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n1p23_Weber.html

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RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

If the goal was to kill as many as quickly as possible (aka death camp) then why even feed people, house people, provide shoes and clothing, delouse laundry etc...at all?

Sounds more like a regular prisoner of war camp rather than an extermination camp.

Perhaps death was not the goal but a consequence. It seems unusual that anyone would do this if the point was purely extermination..

The official gas chamber at Auschwitz had a thin glass window in the door, and the so called roof vents to drop the gas in were actually built after the war....an no traces of gas were found on the bricks when this chamber was chemically tested.

why would they keep jews in a POW camp indefinately? What other reason would they have to imprison them in the first place, unless they planned on quietly getting rid of them at some point? Judging from Hitler's own comments, he and the nazis definately wanted to get rid of the jews, and there was no one to stop them. so why wouldnt they try?

the Final Solution wasnt policy until later. Hitler wasn't originally planning (at least openly) to wipe them out. Their plans evolved over time. They couldnt just go slaughtering Jews the second they got into power. They had to erode liberties and spread propaganda first. I'm not sure when it just finally became about killing as many as they could. Building camps had to come first.

as far as killing by ovens, starvation or forced labor, does it make that much difference? They still definately wanted to kill them off. I dont know what method most of the victims died by. I'm not sure if the official stats even say most died by gas or not.

And if you are gonna exterminate people anyway, why not use them as slave labor first?

the soviets didnt like jews any more than the nazis. They were busy later killing their own jews, I doubt they would have acknowledged the nazis exterminating unless it was definately true.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MrSmith wrote:

why would they keep jews in a POW camp indefinately? What other reason would they have to imprison them in the first place, unless they planned on quietly getting rid of them at some point? Judging from Hitler's own comments, he and the nazis definately wanted to get rid of the jews, and there was no one to stop them. so why wouldnt they try?

the Final Solution wasnt policy until later. Hitler wasn't originally planning (at least openly) to wipe them out. Their plans evolved over time. They couldnt just go slaughtering Jews the second they got into power. They had to erode liberties and spread propaganda first. I'm not sure when it just finally became about killing as many as they could. Building camps had to come first.

as far as killing by ovens, starvation or forced labor, does it make that much difference? They still definately wanted to kill them off. I dont know what method most of the victims died by. I'm not sure if the official stats even say most died by gas or not.

And if you are gonna exterminate people anyway, why not use them as slave labor first?

the soviets didnt like jews any more than the nazis. They were busy later killing their own jews, I doubt they would have acknowledged the nazis exterminating unless it was definately true.

The numbers were exaggerated, and so were the methods of extermination. Not only Jews suffered in the HC, yet it seems it only all about the Jews. One has to wonder why the various demonic propaganda was upheld so vehemently for so many years. Many people have been jailed, murdered, beaten, threatened etc.. for publicly questioning it.

There is information showing Hitler had Jewish lineage and was in fact in line with Zionists during WW2, and we do know money come in to support him from some suspicious angles.

I think the claim that the holocaust was a precursor to founding Israel and furthering the Zionist cause is not too far from the mark, if at all. Either way Hitler played a very integral part in the process, and it would seem the methods derived from this madness are still being employed but now towards the Palestinians.