Why we went to war in Iraq

RolandTD20Kdrummer

History speaks and exposes the truths. But what does history show us?

A history of international involvement in the middle east:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU2wL0Eq5ZQ

IndianSummer

usa went to war in iraq to make israel safe from the threat iraq and saddam posed to the chosen people.

from a religious reference frame, this war was a small matter of jews using christians to keep the muslims at bay.


and by the looks of it, there is more to come.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

IndianSummer wrote:

usa went to war in iraq to make israel safe from the threat iraq and saddam posed to the chosen people.

from a religious reference frame, this war was a small matter of jews using christians to keep the muslims at bay.


and by the looks of it, there is more to come.

good one...nice punch line

Byrnzie

IndianSummer wrote:

usa went to war in iraq to make israel safe from the threat iraq and saddam posed to the chosen people.

from a religious reference frame, this war was a small matter of jews using christians to keep the muslims at bay.


and by the looks of it, there is more to come.

You are joking, right?

IndianSummer

no i said it in all seriousness.

this war is a war to protect jews from muslims using christians.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I'll drop a hint at what war is about today......freaking KA-ching!

Haliburton KBR, CACI, Blackwater, L3 Titan corporation to name a few.

Look at who invests in those companies, and how much money they are making. You'll find lots of big Saudi's (et all in the middle east) reaping up huuuuge cash in the form of American taxpayer money.

That's what it's all about.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

IndianSummer wrote:

no i said it in all seriousness.

this war is a war to protect jews from muslims using christians.

Yes that and more

IndianSummer

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I'll drop a hint at what war is about today......freaking KA-ching!

Haliburton KBR, CACI, Blackwater, L3 Titan corporation to name a few.

Look at who invests in those companies, and how much money they are making. You'll find lots of big Saudi's (et all in the middle east) reaping up huuuuge cash in the form of American taxpayer money.

That's what it's all about.

the principle share holders in most of those companies are also jews.

Commy

IndianSummer wrote:

usa went to war in iraq to make israel safe from the threat iraq and saddam posed to the chosen people.

from a religious reference frame, this war was a small matter of jews using christians to keep the muslims at bay.


and by the looks of it, there is more to come.

Iraq wasn't a threat to anyone, least of all Israel. Iran and Syria weren't even worried about an imminent Iraqi invasion, and they live right next door. Israel, with 100 times their combined military budgets was not in the least bit concerned.

The media, serving the interests of those that run things, led us to believe that Iraq was a threat...which we now know to be false.

This isn't some crusade, where did you get that idea? I haven't heard about this

RolandTD20Kdrummer

IndianSummer wrote:

the principle share holders in most of those companies are also jews.

I think war has become modernized to the point that now it is used as a means of conducting hardball business in order to secure and maximize profits for the individuals involved. I find it interesting that Haliburton is moving to Dubai. Dubai has no taxes. It will be much harder to inquire into the financial activities of Haliburton having to go through another gov't system. A CEO friend of mine was telling me that if you're a male born in Duabai the gov't provide you a million dollar home to live in for free.

Byrnzie

IndianSummer wrote:

no i said it in all seriousness.

this war is a war to protect jews from muslims using christians.

And what exactly were Iraqis going to use to attack Israel? Stones? Or a more dangerous weapon, such as rocks?

Derrick

oil

my2hands

wmd and the iraq-al queda connection

IndianSummer

Byrnzie wrote:

And what exactly were Iraqis going to use to attack Israel? Stones? Or a more dangerous weapon, such as rocks?

WMD's, the media would have us believe.

NCfan

Why don't people believe we went to Iraq to replace a brutal dictator with an electorate; which in turn would help spread democracy to other parts of the region?

El_Kabong

NCfan wrote:

Why don't people believe we went to Iraq to replace a brutal dictator with an electorate; which in turn would help spread democracy to other parts of the region?

b/c that's a lie

Specifics

NCfan wrote:

Why don't people believe we went to Iraq to replace a brutal dictator with an electorate; which in turn would help spread democracy to other parts of the region?

Some do...
But not many outside of America believe for one moment that America acts for anyones good but its own....
There is absolutely no precedent to believe that they would act so benevolently...

Byrnzie

NCfan wrote:

Why don't people believe we went to Iraq to replace a brutal dictator with an electorate; which in turn would help spread democracy to other parts of the region?

Is that what America was trying to do when it overthrew President Allende of Chile, for example?

NCfan

El_Kabong wrote:

b/c that's a lie

At best, it's an opinion. The only people who truly know are at the top levels of our government. At any rate, to me the spreading democracy theory makes much more sense than any other theory out there I've heard.

I'm a fairly bright guy, and I'm open-minded as well. A spade is a spade. Bush is one of the worst presidents in the history of our country, let alone one of the worst world leaders of all time. Mistake after mistake has been made in Iraq, and those mistakes have been covered up by smug, condecending lies and avoidance. Some of the actions of our politicians on both sides is down right criminal, and you can try Bush first for all I care.

But unless some new evidence comes to light, there is no way you're going to convince me that America has not, overall, acted nobly and with a good moral purpose (that serves all of humanity not just the US) in Iraq.

Byrnzie

NCfan wrote:

But unless some new evidence comes to light, there is no way you're going to convince me that America has not, overall, acted nobly and with a good moral purpose (that serves all of humanity not just the US) in Iraq.

3197 dead Americans.
23,417 wounded Americans.
An estimated 600,000 dead Iraqi's.
Halliburton awarded $70 Million (284 percent increase in profits) by the Pentagon in the second quarter of 2005 alone.
Last year it made $2.6bn (£1.3bn) in profits from revenues of $22.6bn.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article2356067.ece

Ahnimus

Byrnzie wrote:

3197 dead Americans.
23,417 wounded Americans.
An estimated 600,000 dead Iraqi's.
Halliburton awarded $70 Million (284 percent increase in profits) by the Pentagon in the second quarter of 2005 alone.

Yea, a guy during that BB2006 conference said "We keep blaming radical Islam, but if you look on the ground, it's Christians killing Muslims."

mdigenakis

somebody already said "ka-ching" i believe.
just follow the money.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

IndianSummer wrote:

the principle share holders in most of those companies are also jews.

once the war machine kicks up everyone scrambles madly for their piece....unfortunately not their peace.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Byrnzie wrote:

3197 dead Americans.
23,417 wounded Americans.
An estimated 600,000 dead Iraqi's.
Halliburton awarded $70 Million (284 percent increase in profits) by the Pentagon in the second quarter of 2005 alone.
Last year it made $2.6bn (£1.3bn) in profits from revenues of $22.6bn.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article2356067.ece

Nice stats... Haliburton knows what's coming (inquiries). That's probably why they got the fuck out of dodge..

El_Kabong

Byrnzie wrote:

3197 dead Americans.
23,417 wounded Americans.
An estimated 600,000 dead Iraqi's.
Halliburton awarded $70 Million (284 percent increase in profits) by the Pentagon in the second quarter of 2005 alone.
Last year it made $2.6bn (£1.3bn) in profits from revenues of $22.6bn.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article2356067.ece

i posted a link to yahoo finance a while back...during the push for war halliburton's stock was around $10...until a few months ago when their stock split 2:1 it was at mid $70's-80...now, after the split it's still in the high $30's...

El_Kabong

NCfan wrote:

At best, it's an opinion. The only people who truly know are at the top levels of our government. At any rate, to me the spreading democracy theory makes much more sense than any other theory out there I've heard.

I'm a fairly bright guy, and I'm open-minded as well. A spade is a spade. Bush is one of the worst presidents in the history of our country, let alone one of the worst world leaders of all time. Mistake after mistake has been made in Iraq, and those mistakes have been covered up by smug, condecending lies and avoidance. Some of the actions of our politicians on both sides is down right criminal, and you can try Bush first for all I care.

But unless some new evidence comes to light, there is no way you're going to convince me that America has not, overall, acted nobly and with a good moral purpose (that serves all of humanity not just the US) in Iraq.

i hink specifics answered it perfectly near the top of the 2nd page.

show me the examples of the us attacking/overthrowing/occupying...a country to spread democracy

b/c i can show you things like cheney saying the same bs about panama that he did iraq...they were a threat to our national security, blah blah blah...then afterwards when ppl ask how it changes to 'well, we took a bad man out of power and liberated a bunch of ppl! (while killing thousands of civillians in the process)'

there's a pretty long list if you'd like me to continue?

what's more, i can introduce as evidence this administrations own words...all the talk was about threats to our national security, mudhroom clouds, they were pals w/ al qaeda, making up lies about iaea reports saying they were 6 months away from a nuke....what would be absent would be 'let's do it to free the poor iraqis!'

i can even show you bush saying in 2000 how our military is not for nation building and criticized gore and clinton for kosovo saying that's not our job or our troops

look at how many have died, look at how many don't have stable electricity or clean water, look at all the violence...then look at our past...look at how much money certain ppl are making from this while it seems the more common ppl (the troops, iraqis, us taxpayers...)...can you show me any evidence making the case this was all some grand humanitarian crusade??

IndianSummer

Ahnimus wrote:

Yea, a guy during that BB2006 conference said "We keep blaming radical Islam, but if you look on the ground, it's Christians killing Muslims."

and those christian countries are puppets on zionist/jewish policy maker/jewish businessman's chains.

Byrnzie

IndianSummer wrote:

and those christian countries are puppets on zionist/jewish policy maker/jewish businessman's chains.

And those zionist/jewish policy maker/jewish businessmen are puppetes for a race of alien's with ambitions for world domination. Watch out!

IndianSummer

Byrnzie wrote:

race of alien's

you mean yah-veh, right??

Byrnzie

IndianSummer wrote:

you mean yah-veh, right??

No. I mean Yoda.

luckyman

war what is it good 4
nothing
why the fuck do we want 2 kill each other