Israel Arrests Outspoken Academic Norman Finkelstein

RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited May 2008 in A Moving Train
well now...

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/norman-finkelstein-arrested-in-israel/

Nice argument....a must watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ

"And the American academic Norman Finkelstein has been arrested and ordered deported from Israel. Finkelstein arrived in Tel Aviv earlier today on his way to the Occupied Territories. He was immediately detained and told he is banned from Israel for ten years. He’s expected to be deported tomorrow. Finkelstein is known one of the most prominent academic critics of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza."
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    well now...

    http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/norman-finkelstein-arrested-in-israel/

    Nice argument....a must watch
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ

    "And the American academic Norman Finkelstein has been arrested and ordered deported from Israel. Finkelstein arrived in Tel Aviv earlier today on his way to the Occupied Territories. He was immediately detained and told he is banned from Israel for ten years. He’s expected to be deported tomorrow. Finkelstein is known one of the most prominent academic critics of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza."

    Now that's democracy in action!

    Looks like his main contention in his latest book was spot on...

    http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Chutzpah-Misuse-Anti-Semitism-History/dp/0520249895/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211669884&sr=8-1

    'Finkelstein, a political science professor and author of The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering, has conducted a rancorous public feud with Harvard Law professor and pro-Israel stalwart Alan Dershowitz over the latter's The Case for Israel, and here expands his arguments into a vigorous polemic on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The first part of the book examines what he feels is a growing tendency of pro-Israel commentators to use spurious charges of anti-Semitism to deflect and discredit legitimate criticism of Israel. The second, much longer, part is a line-by-line debunking of The Case for Israel, which he compares to Communist apologetics for Stalinist Russia. Rebutting Dershowitz's claims about Israel's "superb" human rights record, Finkelstein cites human rights organizations like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the Israeli group B'Tselem to document Israeli abuses in the occupied territories, including killings of Palestinian civilians, torture of Palestinian prisoners and home demolitions. Lengthy appendices flesh out his explosive assertion that Dershowitz plagiarized the historical research and interpretations (but not the actual phrasing) of Joan Peters's From Time Immemorial. The Middle East conflict rarely inspires calm discussion, and Finkelstein duly pillories his opponents as perpetrators of "hoax" and "fraud" who lack "ordinary moral values" and whose behavior resembles anti-Semitic stereotypes. Inflammatory rhetoric aside, he does raise serious questions about the veracity, scholarly methods and fairness of Dershowitz and others. More important, he presents a wealth of evidence on the human rights situation in the occupied territories, so often ignored in American debate on these issues. Exhaustively researched and meticulously-if intemperately-argued, Finkelstein's book is a formidable challenge to the conventional wisdom on the Middle East.'
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Meanwhile...

    Olmert questioned on 'corruption'
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7416274.stm


    And the killing continues...
    Five killed in Gaza incursions
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7416379.stm

    Testimony: Soldiers blow up door of family home, killing the mother, and leave body with her children, Gaza, May 2008
    Samira a-Daghameh, 13

    http://www.btselem.org/english/Testimonies/20080507_killing_of_Wafa_a_a_Daghameh.asp
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Nice argument....a must watch
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ

    Just watched this. Spot on. I only actually heard of this fella a few days ago when reading Michael Neumann's book.
    I'll have to check out some more.

    Edit: Just downloading this now...
    http://www.mininova.org/tor/193689

    and this..
    http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3538742/Hot_House__10000_Palestinian_Prisons_in_Israeli_Jails_(1h38)
  • Byrnzie wrote:

    Just watched this. Spot on. I only actually heard of this fella a few days ago when reading Michael Neumann's book.
    I'll have to check out some more.

    Edit: Just downloading this now...
    http://www.mininova.org/tor/193689

    and this..
    http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3538742/Hot_House__10000_Palestinian_Prisons_in_Israeli_Jails_(1h38)

    Finkelstein speaks cold hard reality in massive doses.



    Now you know why they want to shut him up so badly.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Political misenergy.
  • wwfairfieldwwfairfield Posts: 216
    israel = theocracy

    israels treatment of Palestinians (christian and muslim) = apartheid



    this is the 60 year anniversary of Palestine being " wiped off the map"
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    ....
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Norman Finkelstein - An Issue Of Justice, Origins Of The Israel-Palestine Conflict
    http://www.mininova.org/tor/193689
    'The facts are not complicated. Finkelstein dispels the ideological fog surrounding this historic conflict.
    Finkelstein lays out the history of the Israel/Palestine conflict with clarity and passion, arguing that any other similar conflict would be perfectly understood, yet this one exists beneath a blanket of ideological fog. Finkelstein cuts through the fog with indisputable historical facts, optimistic that the struggle is winnable, and that it is simply an issue of justice.
    Norman Finkelstein was born in Brooklyn, N.Y., in 1953. He is the son of two holocaust survivors. He received his doctorate from Princeton University, for a thesis on the theory of Zionism. He is the author of four books, including The Holocaust Industry, his writings have also appeared in many prestigious journals. Currently, he teaches political science at DePaul University in Chicago.'
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Norman Finkelstein - An Issue Of Justice, Origins Of The Israel-Palestine Conflict
    http://www.mininova.org/tor/193689
    'The facts are not complicated. Finkelstein dispels the ideological fog surrounding this historic conflict.
    Finkelstein lays out the history of the Israel/Palestine conflict with clarity and passion, arguing that any other similar conflict would be perfectly understood, yet this one exists beneath a blanket of ideological fog. Finkelstein cuts through the fog with indisputable historical facts, optimistic that the struggle is winnable, and that it is simply an issue of justice.
    Norman Finkelstein was born in Brooklyn, N.Y., in 1953. He is the son of two holocaust survivors. He received his doctorate from Princeton University, for a thesis on the theory of Zionism. He is the author of four books, including The Holocaust Industry, his writings have also appeared in many prestigious journals. Currently, he teaches political science at DePaul University in Chicago.'


    mucho gracias, hermano
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    well now...

    http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/norman-finkelstein-arrested-in-israel/

    Nice argument....a must watch
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ

    "And the American academic Norman Finkelstein has been arrested and ordered deported from Israel. Finkelstein arrived in Tel Aviv earlier today on his way to the Occupied Territories. He was immediately detained and told he is banned from Israel for ten years. He’s expected to be deported tomorrow. Finkelstein is known one of the most prominent academic critics of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza."


    thanks that was an excellent youtube clip! that guy nailed it
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    yeah, I heard about this. it's crazy.

    Someone posted a little bit about Norman Finkelstein (I think Byrnzie) and the end said that he teaches at DePaul, but that must be a year old. He stopped teaching there after he was denied tenure (Dershowitz campaigned for that and the board ended up denying him tenure, claiming there was no outside influence...) so I believe he resigned. just a heads up on what's been going on with him.

    Norman Finkelstein is amazing though.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Just watched the following Youtube clips of a discussion between Norman Finkelstein and Shlomo Ben Ami. Really interesting stuff. Finkelstein knows his stuff. He wipes the floor with the guy.
    Also, there is this website dedicated to him - http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=1057 - and there's some really interesting stuff here.

    Part one
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-FLIBkTg8g&feature=related

    Part two
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbDMam_jGVk&feature=related

    Part 3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_j2XH4tOK4&feature=related

    Part four
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5cYaCWfWNY

    Part five
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQUXuixbYdU&feature=related

    Part Six
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEa8JBlCnx8&feature=related
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Also, if anyone's interested, here's the torrent for a debate between Norman Finkelstein and Alan Dershowitz in 2003.

    http://onebigtorrent.org/torrents/3406/Democracy-Now-20030924-The-famous-Norman-Finkelstein-vs-Alan-Dershowitz

    This is the full version (2 parts conjoined in one file) of the famous debate at Democracy Now! (http://www.democracynow.org) between professor Alan Dershowitz at Harvard and professor Norman Finkelstein at DePaul university.

    'The debate - probably the most famous episode of Democracy Now! - ultimately led to Finkelstein losing his tenure at DePaul after a massive lobbying campaign against him, spearheaded by Dershowitz. Professor Noam Chomsky at MIT later called Dershowitz' campaign "a jihad against Finkelstein". (Part one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ENawcSliA - Part two - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBclWDYuoxI ) The debate itself is about Dershowitz book The case for Israel, where he defends Israel's foreign policies. Finkelstein calls the book "a collection of fraud, falsification, plagiarism and nonsense". After having watched the debate, one can only agree.'
  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    Thanks for posting guys....good but not suprising information.
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