The Israel Lobby (documentary)

RolandTD20Kdrummer

part 1 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukv85nc-VOA

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Watch at 4mins 30 seconds. Tell me that AIPAC rally didn't give you the willies just a little bit....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8e7nkVfSd0

Byrnzie

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

part 1 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukv85nc-VOA

Thanks.
I expect you'll now be accused of being an obsessive, anti-Semitic, Nazi sympathiser.

Byrnzie

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=264722

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7104030.stm

'..They reject the argument that Israel is a key ally in America's "war on terror".

On the contrary, they contend, US patronage of Israel fuels militant anger - as well as fostering resentment in Arab countries that control vital oil supplies.

The authors also reject the common view of Israel as a democratic outpost that needs protection from deadly enemies.

It is indeed a vibrant democracy, they say, but also a regional giant ready to use its considerable firepower against civilians.
Whose interests do US soldiers in Iraq defend?

If both these arguments are weak, they say, the real reason behind US support for Israel is domestic - the activities of the American Israel Political Action Committee (Aipac), the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), and like-minded groups and think tanks...

Virtually all reviews of the book in the mainstream US press have been negative.

"They have often misrepresented our arguments badly or tried to smear us by either saying or hinting that we are anti-Semitic," Mr Walt told the BBC News website.

The authors regard their excoriation in the US press as a sign of the lobby's effectiveness, and point out that reviews abroad have been much more favourable.

"This in some way confirms our basic argument that it's much easier to talk about this subject outside the United States than we do inside the US," he says.'

GauchoB

Byrnzie wrote:

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=264722

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7104030.stm

'..They reject the argument that Israel is a key ally in America's "war on terror".

On the contrary, they contend, US patronage of Israel fuels militant anger - as well as fostering resentment in Arab countries that control vital oil supplies.

The authors also reject the common view of Israel as a democratic outpost that needs protection from deadly enemies.

It is indeed a vibrant democracy, they say, but also a regional giant ready to use its considerable firepower against civilians.
Whose interests do US soldiers in Iraq defend?

If both these arguments are weak, they say, the real reason behind US support for Israel is domestic - the activities of the American Israel Political Action Committee (Aipac), the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), and like-minded groups and think tanks...

Virtually all reviews of the book in the mainstream US press have been negative.

"They have often misrepresented our arguments badly or tried to smear us by either saying or hinting that we are anti-Semitic," Mr Walt told the BBC News website.

The authors regard their excoriation in the US press as a sign of the lobby's effectiveness, and point out that reviews abroad have been much more favourable.

"This in some way confirms our basic argument that it's much easier to talk about this subject outside the United States than we do inside the US," he says.'

Can you two just get a room of your own on this subject? Im over it

Byrnzie

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Watch at 4mins 30 seconds. Tell me that AIPAC rally didn't give you the willies just a little bit....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8e7nkVfSd0

It is scary. The stars and stripes side by side with the Israeli flag. And there was I thinking that the U.S was impartial re: Israel/Palestine!

And so much for Israel being the home of the Jews. It's actually nothing of the sort. It's the home of Zionism. Not the same thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Israel
'The flag was designed for the Zionist Movement in 1891. The basic design recalls the Tallit, the Jewish prayer shawl, which is white with blue stripes. The hexagram in the centre is the Magen David ("shield of David"). It became a Jewish symbol starting in late medieval Prague, and was adopted by the First Zionist Congress in 1897.'

Thank god for these people...

http://www.jatonyc.org/

NO OCCUPATION IN OUR NAME


We as American Jews reject the Israeli government assertion that it is "necessary" to subjugate Palestinians for the sake of keeping Jews safe. We assert that security can only come from mutual respect, and that the occupation of Palestine is only worsening the position of Jews in the Middle East and around the world.


ANTI-SEMITISM VS. CRITIQUES OF ISRAEL


Jews Against the Occupation stands firmly against anti-Semitism and racism in all its forms. We see our historical struggle against anti- Semitism--a cornerstone of European white supremacist ideology--as inherently linked to all struggles against oppression. We therefore stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people in their struggle for freedom.


Judaism is a cultural and religious identity, which must not be equated with Zionism, a political movement. Criticism of the state of Israel, its policies, or the idea of a Jewish state does not by itself constitute anti-Semitism. Dismissing critics of Israel or of Zionism as "anti-Semitic" is a means of stifling debate and masking the impact of the occupation.

Byrnzie

GauchoB wrote:

Can you two just get a room of your own on this subject? Im over it

Good. Then keep out of it.

GauchoB

Byrnzie wrote:

It is scary. The stars and stripes side by side with the Israeli flag. And there was I thinking that the U.S was impartial re: Israel/Palestine!

And so much for Israel being the home of the Jews. It's actually nothing of the sort. It's the home of Zionism. Not the same thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Israel
'The flag was designed for the Zionist Movement in 1891. The basic design recalls the Tallit, the Jewish prayer shawl, which is white with blue stripes. The hexagram in the centre is the Magen David ("shield of David"). It became a Jewish symbol starting in late medieval Prague, and was adopted by the First Zionist Congress in 1897.'

Thank god for these people...

http://www.jatonyc.org/

Stop using that Jew word around here in a derogatory manner.

Byrnzie

GauchoB wrote:

Stop using that Jew word around here in a derogatory manner.

I used the word 'Jew' in a derogatory manner? I must have missed that. Perhaps you'd care to point it out for me?

GauchoB

Byrnzie wrote:

It is scary. The stars and stripes side by side with the Israeli flag. And there was I thinking that the U.S was impartial re: Israel/Palestine!

And so much for Israel being the home of the Jews. It's actually nothing of the sort. It's the home of Zionism. Not the same thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Israel
'The flag was designed for the Zionist Movement in 1891. The basic design recalls the Tallit, the Jewish prayer shawl, which is white with blue stripes. The hexagram in the centre is the Magen David ("shield of David"). It became a Jewish symbol starting in late medieval Prague, and was adopted by the First Zionist Congress in 1897.'

Thank god for these people...

http://www.jatonyc.org/

NO OCCUPATION IN OUR NAME


We as American Jews reject the Israeli government assertion that it is "necessary" to subjugate Palestinians for the sake of keeping Jews safe. We assert that security can only come from mutual respect, and that the occupation of Palestine is only worsening the position of Jews in the Middle East and around the world.


ANTI-SEMITISM VS. CRITIQUES OF ISRAEL


Jews Against the Occupation stands firmly against anti-Semitism and racism in all its forms. We see our historical struggle against anti- Semitism--a cornerstone of European white supremacist ideology--as inherently linked to all struggles against oppression. We therefore stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people in their struggle for freedom.


Judaism is a cultural and religious identity, which must not be equated with Zionism, a political movement. Criticism of the state of Israel, its policies, or the idea of a Jewish state does not by itself constitute anti-Semitism. Dismissing critics of Israel or of Zionism as "anti-Semitic" is a means of stifling debate and masking the impact of the occupation.

ATTICA! ATTICA!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Byrnzie wrote:

It is scary. The stars and stripes side by side with the Israeli flag. And there was I thinking that the U.S was impartial re: Israel/Palestine!

And so much for Israel being the home of the Jews. It's actually nothing of the sort. It's the home of Zionism. Not the same thing.

I just finished watching one of the series of the DOHA debates

"At the latest Doha Debate held at the prestigious Oxford Union in the United Kingdom on May 1st, two-thirds of the student audience approved a motion claiming that Israel's supporters are stifling Western debate about Israel's actions. The event at the world famous debating society of Oxford University marked the first time the Doha Debates have been held outside Qatar. The Debate took place amid mounting controversy over the role of the pro-Israel lobby in the United States and accusations that it has suppressed criticism of Israel"

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7985100635045440998&q=DOHA+Debates&ei=fJYeSJCNFKWk-QGahe3SAQ&hl=en

Byrnzie

Interesting to see Dick Cheney's old Chief of staff begin by attempting to rubbish the article, but then he comes around to saying that the article is 'technically right, but pragmatically wrong'.
Errm, yeah, o.k.

spiral out

That's some pretty scary shit that evangelical guy talks in the second part starting at 1.45

"again there's a new Hitler and he's the president of Iran."

RolandTD20Kdrummer

spiral out wrote:

That's some pretty scary shit that evangelical guy talks in the second part starting at 1.45

"again there's a new Hitler and he's the president of Iran."

Hagee is a full on kook no doubt.

Google image search for Hagee is telling....couple things stand out.... McCain and AIPAC. nuff said...
http://images.google.ca/images?q=hagee&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

I think this world has little/no use for Jewish, Muslim, and Christian right wing extremists as a whole.

Eliminate that....man talk about a well deserved global enema.