U.S. Life Span Shorter

RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited August 2007 in A Moving Train
"WASHINGTON — Americans are living longer than ever, but not as long as people in 41 other countries.

Countries that surpass the U.S. include Japan and most of Europe, as well as Jordan, Guam and the Cayman Islands."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070811/life-expectancy/
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  • Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • HartydogHartydog Posts: 2,060
    I would love to live in the Cayman's :)
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    What is the infatuation with longevity? I'd rather check out at 70 having lived a good life, then hang on thru 90 having someone change my diapers and feed me.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jeffbr wrote:
    What is the infatuation with longevity? I'd rather check out at 70 having lived a good life, then hang on thru 90 having someone change my diapers and feed me.

    I think the "infatuation" is health. Healthy people tend to live longer.

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  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    what's this? a Dr. from the University of Washington that actually makes sense and knows what he's talking about? how the hell can that be? ;)


    sorry, it's a personal joke. carry on




    seriously though it is inexcusable. i bet if someone polled people in the US 90% to 95% would be under the impression that people in this country out live folks from every other country.....those same egotistical twits that think that the USA is #1 at everyfuckingthing :rolleyes:
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    jeffbr wrote:
    What is the infatuation with longevity? I'd rather check out at 70 having lived a good life, then hang on thru 90 having someone change my diapers and feed me.

    I'm with you jeff. Quality over quantity. :)
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  • nickcat0nickcat0 Posts: 75
    I have only visited the States on about 5 or 6 occasions , but I would guess that the number of people who seem to live on a diet of McDonalds and Budweiser would bring the average life expectancy down .
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  • American society has slid in to a sorry state of repair. It's citizens are kept in dark on almost every issue, and they have no idea what's really going on around them in the world and directly to them as well.

    It really is sad...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    NOPE!!!

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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Think it'll probably have to do with a lot of factors, not just diet.

    There's other stuff, I'm just busy finding it now. :)

    http://www.innovations-report.com/html/reports/studies/report-78048.html
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    Jeanie wrote:
    I'm with you jeff. Quality over quantity. :)

    depends what you define as quality... i.e. being 200pounds overweight and not being able to see your own cock isnt what i define as quality... obviously i'd rather be healthy and live till 83 than be really frail and eat pureed food until i was 93!

    the point of this thread is that it isnt the "quality" of US life thats killing them early... its the "quantity" of their diets
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    The starting point is the recognition that the U.S. does not have the best health care system. There are still an awful lot of people who think it does."


    my favourite line and one that is quite true on here at least
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • TrailerTrailer Posts: 1,431
    American society has slid in to a sorry state of repair. It's citizens are kept in dark on almost every issue, and they have no idea what's really going on around them in the world and directly to them as well.

    It really is sad...

    Do you live in the US? I'm pretty sure I've read in some thread that you live in Canada... but you seem to be an expert on everything concerning the US!

    How can your statement possibly hold true for the entire country? It's pretty ignorant..

    I realize that you are mainly talking about our government, but we are aware of the idiocracy currently leading us. There are plenty of people here that know what's going on around them in the world..
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    dunkman wrote:
    depends what you define as quality... i.e. being 200pounds overweight and not being able to see your own cock isnt what i define as quality... obviously i'd rather be healthy and live till 83 than be really frail and eat pureed food until i was 93!

    the point of this thread is that it isnt the "quality" of US life thats killing them early... its the "quantity" of their diets

    And that's just it isn't it dunk? Everybody has their own interpretation of "quality". What is unacceptable to you may not be for someone else.

    Diet wasn't the only cause shortening their life span that I read in the article. :) And it's one article. One offering the point of view of several people, who seemingly can't agree anyway.

    I didn't take it that the OP was attempting to place "blame" or start the thread purely to make the "point" of the thread that the quantity of the American diet is solely to blame for their shorter longevity. And if that was the case then I'd say it's a short sighted and simplistic view to take. :)
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  • Jeanie wrote:
    I'm with you jeff. Quality over quantity. :)

    Its not a zero-sum gain. Its possible that increased longevity refers to both better health AND a longer life.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    American society has slid in to a sorry state of repair. It's citizens are kept in dark on almost every issue, and they have no idea what's really going on around them in the world and directly to them as well.

    It really is sad...

    Huh? The article says Americans are living longer than ever.

    Whenever I hear someone say something like "it's citizens are kept in the dark on every issue..." I realize it's someone making an argument that is based purely on agenda and not on truth - especially in an age when communication and information are more pervasive than ever.

    In other words, your bias is so great that the ridiculous comments you make highly degrade your credibility.
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Its not a zero-sum gain. Its possible that increased longevity refers to both better health AND a longer life.

    Yep, quite possible. But when you know it doesn't apply to you then it's fairly easy to decide on quality over quantity.
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  • Jeanie wrote:
    Yep, quite possible. But when you know it doesn't apply to you then it's fairly easy to decide on quality over quantity.

    Ha. Fair enough.
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    jeffbr wrote:
    What is the infatuation with longevity? I'd rather check out at 70 having lived a good life, then hang on thru 90 having someone change my diapers and feed me.


    agreed.
    however, if you live an unhealthy lifestyle...you may well live to 70, with debilitating, uncomfortable, expensive health issues....instead of simply enjoying all 70 years. i think THAT is the real point. it's not just the number of years in your life...but the life in your number if years. ;) so yea.......why not have BOTH?
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  • There are people running marathons in their 70's

    quality of life over longevity is just a matter of what you are taught is really important

    ...i.e millions of commercials sculpting your thoughts.

    Mental programming. You are told what to think, do, and eat so certain people can take your money....which is your time...and ultimately....your life.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    There are people running marathons in their 70's

    quality of life over longevity is just a matter of what you are taught is really important

    ...i.e millions of commercials sculpting your thoughts.

    Mental programming. You are told what to think, do, and eat so certain people can take your money....which is your time...and ultimately....your life.

    Come on Roland. :) People aren't all that stupid. We can think for ourselves.
    If a person's running marathons in their 70s good on them if that's what they want to do, but marathons don't interest me now. And all the dietary advice in the world won't save you if you are genetically predisposed to disease or the "proverbial bus" comes along and takes you out. We all do the best we can when we can. If that equates to quality and longevity for some of us, that's excellent. But it cannot possibly be the story for all of us. No matter how many mung beans we eat, no matter how many bench presses we can do. :)
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  • TrailerTrailer Posts: 1,431
    Jeanie wrote:
    And all the dietary advice in the world won't save you if you are genetically predisposed to disease or the "proverbial bus" comes along and takes you out.

    Good point!!
    Jeanie wrote:
    no matter how many bench presses we can do. :)

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  • Jeanie wrote:
    Come on Roland. :) People aren't all that stupid. We can think for ourselves.
    If a person's running marathons in their 70s good on them if that's what they want to do, but marathons don't interest me now. And all the dietary advice in the world won't save you if you are genetically predisposed to disease or the "proverbial bus" comes along and takes you out. We all do the best we can when we can. If that equates to quality and longevity for some of us, that's excellent. But it cannot possibly be the story for all of us. No matter how many mung beans we eat, no matter how many bench presses we can do. :)

    As kids we were all hooked into the tube well before objective thought could ever take hold. Mostly why McDonalds has those playlands for the kids. Their food is poison. Fast food is poison to the human body. We would all be dead long before puberty by eating their diet exclusively and taking their word for what they say.

    It's all subjective and subliminal programming playing off the basic human psyche; we all want to lounge around and be lazy, and have our taste buds blown away, and be instantly sexually gratified. These are the basic conditions to evolution that have been an overwhelming success for mankind (thus far).

    It's basic human nature that big corporations have exploited. It's not responsible, however it's profitable, so it all exists effortlessly.

    The reason I know this is that once I started eating clean foods, I no longer craved sugar and junk like a drug after eating every meal.

    I get serious withdrawals from fast food. They engineer their food precisely in labs with teams of scientists to make their food to elicit a drug response in the human brain from just tasting (and smelling) it. Billions are spent to make this a reality, and on purpose.

    We are guinea pigs to big corporations. And they give not even .0002 cents about us and our lives...whether we get sick or not, or ultimately die from their "food".

    That's how I see it. I believe it is accurate. It starts verrry young when we are highly impressionable.

    I am not impervious or special. I fail at it far too often. Being brought up this way from an overweight/obese mother....It's like a lifelong drug addiction, with temptation at almost every street corner.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    As kids we were all hooked into the tube well before objective thought could ever take hold. Mostly why McDonalds has those playlands for the kids. Their food is poison. Fast food is poison to the human body. We would all be dead long before puberty by eating their diet exclusively and taking their word for what they say.

    It's all subjective and subliminal programming playing off the basic human psyche; we all want to lounge around and be lazy, and have our taste buds blown away, and be instantly sexually gratified. These are the basic conditions to evolution that have been an overwhelming success for mankind (thus far).

    It's basic human nature that big corporations have exploited. It's not responsible, however it's profitable, so it all exists effortlessly.

    The reason I know this is that once I started eating clean foods, I no longer craved sugar and junk like a drug after eating every meal.

    I get serious withdrawals from fast food. They engineer their food precisely in labs with teams of scientists to make their food to elicit a drug response in the human brain from just tasting (and smelling) it. Billions are spent to make this a reality, and on purpose.

    We are guinea pigs to big corporations. And they give not even .0002 cents about us and our lives...whether we get sick or not, or ultimately die from their "food".

    That's how I see it. I believe it is accurate. It starts verrry young when we are highly impressionable.

    I am not impervious or special. I fail at it far too often. Being brought up this way from an overweight/obese mother....It's like a lifelong drug addiction, with temptation at almost every street corner.

    Love! :) I wasn't allowed to watch tele as a kid. :) We didn't even have one for a lot of years and then when we did if it wasn't on the ABC at a suitable hour then I couldn't watch it. I wasn't subjected to commercials on tv until I was in my mid to late teens. So their subliminal messages weren't really able to affect my life. As to junk food, well I wasn't allowed to eat that either. We lived a very holistic, whole foods lifestyle from a very early age. I don't think I even ate McDonalds until I was 13 and even then I was only allowed to share a small fries with my brother. We weren't allowed to eat refined sugars or refined flours and certainly nothing with colors or flavors in it. We walked the 45 minutes to school and back everyday or cycled if we were lucky and I was at ballet for at least 20 hours a week by the time I was 12 on top of sport at school and speed skating, and a whole bunch of out of school activities. And I lived less than 100 metres from a McDonald's. I can take or leave the stuff. As I'm quite sure can a lot of other people. I understand what you are saying, I'm simply saying that this is not the case for everyone.
    And considering that public health policy and public opinion has forced McDonalds here to make changes to their menu and implement the Healthy Choices Menu which even has the Heart Foundation Tick, I'd say that it's certainly not the case in this country. :)
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Trailer wrote:
    Good point!!



    Richard: Scram Tommy. Don't give her the weight room thing.
    [Tommy Boy approaches gorgeous girl acting muscular and buff]
    Tommy: Do you know where the weight room is? I'll check it out. :D:cool:

    :D
    NOPE!!!

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  • Jeanie wrote:
    Love! :) I wasn't allowed to watch tele as a kid. :) We didn't even have one for a lot of years and then when we did if it wasn't on the ABC at a suitable hour then I couldn't watch it. I wasn't subjected to commercials on tv until I was in my mid to late teens. So their subliminal messages weren't really able to affect my life. As to junk food, well I wasn't allowed to eat that either. We lived a very holistic, whole foods lifestyle from a very early age. I don't think I even ate McDonalds until I was 13 and even then I was only allowed to share a small fries with my brother. We weren't allowed to eat refined sugars or refined flours and certainly nothing with colors or flavors in it. We walked the 45 minutes to school and back everyday or cycled if we were lucky and I was at ballet for at least 20 hours a week by the time I was 12 on top of sport at school and speed skating, and a whole bunch of out of school activities. And I lived less than 100 metres from a McDonald's. I can take or leave the stuff. As I'm quite sure can a lot of other people. I understand what you are saying, I'm simply saying that this is not the case for everyone.
    And considering that public health policy and public opinion has forced McDonalds here to make changes to their menu and implement the Healthy Choices Menu which even has the Heart Foundation Tick, I'd say that it's certainly not the case in this country. :)

    Sounds a lot better than my experience.

    Over here, TV is practically used as the babysitter to pacify kids so adults don't have to deal with it.

    I was rarely supervised while watching TV...if ever.

    They have a saying "the west is the best"... I beg to differ...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Sounds a lot better than my experience.

    Over here, TV is practically used as the babysitter to pacify kids so adults don't have to deal with it.

    I was rarely supervised while watching TV...if ever.

    They have a saying "the west is the best"... I beg to differ...

    Yeah, :D let me tell you Mum's parenting skills weren't particularly well received when we were kids! But we were pretty lucky in hindsight. :)
    Not to say that some of her more militant ideas didn't cause problems for us later in life, but like most things you live and learn. She's always been a big fan of Adele Davis' books and I have to say that I have a couple of well read and often referred to copies myself. Might be of interest to you Roland. She was a pretty cluey woman. :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelle_Davis
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