How To Get Fat Without Really Trying

Collin

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I haven't eaten at McDonalds in about 2 years. I had a pretty wild (alcoholic) night a couple weeks ago so I broke down and ended up eating at McDonalds.

Honestly I don't know what borderline illegal substances they put in their food, but I craved it every day for about a week afterwards. I had to consciously tell myself no.

That just can't be good for you.

Perhaps they don't put anything in it at all? Perhaps you just like their food?

I rarely eat at McDonalds but when I do, I don't feel sick afterwards and I don't have a craving for there food either.

I think it's weird that so many people who are against McDonalds and never eat there say these things. It's always the same story, I went there once and afterwards I felt sick, or I craved their food for a week...

I have asked my friends and my relatives about this, some of them go there about once every three months, some of them once a year, some of them once every three years... None of them say they feel sick after eating there and they don't crave for more McDonalds food.

I'm not trying to defend McDonalds here, definitely not, I'm just saying I think it's weird. Perhaps the European McDonalds isn't the same as the American one.

I don't go there because there are so many other places where I can get healthy burgers, healthy fast food and it's exactly as cheap. Besides McDonalds throws away tons of food every hour.

brainofPJ

i actually thought you we're asking how to get fat

Collin

brainofPJ wrote:

i actually thought you we're asking how to get fat

:D

Uncle Leo

Juberoo wrote:

actually, fresh food is cheaper than packaged or fast food. Eating out always costs more than cooking at home.

I am at a point where I am not a "smart shopper" in terms of price. I don't worry about what I spend at the grocery store. Therefore, I have to admit some ignorance of what things cost.

However, every now and then I see prices and fresh fruit and vegetables are not cheap. I think you can go a lot further on Hamburger helper for your family than making everything fresh. Boxed crap is dirt cheap. The center aisles are cheap.

This is the only time (and the US perhaps the only place) in world history where poverty and obesity are correlated. Historically it was always the opposite. There are a lot of reasons for it, but I have read articles that it is cheaper per "filling" if you will to eat a lot of the empty cals provided in the middle aisles.

I was 40 to 50 pounds overweight and have been at ideal for over 4 years now. For me it was about amount, plain and simple. And despite what I say above, I have grown to firmly believe that there are few overweight people that have anyone to blame but themselves. We still make choices on amount. We still spend less on chips and fruit loops (as opposed to better food) and insist on having other less important luxuries--it is harder for the poor, but they have choices too. Unfortunately, food is the one "luxury" they can afford. But they still need to be smart about it. Yeah, a trip to DQ is affordable and good, but do it once a month, not twice a week.

Our lifestyle (collectively) is bad. And it is our (collective) fault. You should see the doughnuts, candy, etc. that people at my office eat all day. (A big part of my weight loss was giving that shit up and I have eaten shit at the office fewer than 10 times in four years). These people make the decision to eat horrible empty calories that they do not need, every day. They deserve what they get.

macgyver06

i dont want everyone to be a human being


i liek out running these fat slobs


especially our police...hahahahaa

HOW DO THEY GET THESE JOBS?


stand on this corner with a radar gun boy...and harass people on their way to lunch porky..than when your done..return your brand new impala and suck the captains cock.

surferdude

I'm a single parent and as time stressed anyone and I always manage to make time for good nutrition because the health of my family is just about the number one priority. In general people get fat because they don't care, they don't care about their own health and/or their familiy's health. Blaming the fast food industry is a joke in my opinion, considering the labelling on the food we purchase blaming anyone but ourselves for our fatness is a joke.

The abdication of personal responsibility is frightening.

ryan198

I think for me anyway this isn't a black-and-white thing, and it seems like the people who are suggesting that social and economic issues are NOT solely blaming those issues as the reason(s) for obesity in our society. Clearly personal restraint has much to do with it, but, at the same time, there are other things going on out there that contribute to this problem - no JUST personal. For some eating or not eating is a mental disease, for which lots of University research has shown is amplified by outside influences. To deny that is just as idiotic as saying personal responsibility has no factor in the matter.

Juberoo

macgyver06 wrote:

i dont want everyone to be a human being


i liek out running these fat slobs


especially our police...hahahahaa

HOW DO THEY GET THESE JOBS?


stand on this corner with a radar gun boy...and harass people on their way to lunch porky..than when your done..return your brand new impala and suck the captains cock.

wow got a bit of an issue with authority figurese eh?

Juberoo

ryan198 wrote:

perhaps in purchase price you are correct, but you also have to take in the economic and time impact of going somewhere to get the food, then come home and make the food. for a country that has 30% of its people living in poverty, of which 75% of those people have at least one family member working full time, going to the grocery store can take more time and effort than it would to pop across the street for a mcdonalds. I have lived in downtown Baltimore for the last 3 years and I can say that before we got a brand new grocery store put in this past January, there were zero grocery stores within 1/2 mile away (and that one had very gross produce), the next closest was around 2-4 miles away whereas there were at least 7 McDonalds, 4 starbucks, 3 KFC, numerous sandwhich shops, Dunkin Donuts and so on between here and there.

So...if you are working hours, perhaps 10-16 per day, just to barely put food on the table and pay rent you haven't seen your family all day (meaning you have 'latchkey kids' another stigmatizm in this society which driven primarily by economics) you are telling me that you would travel using public transportation b/c you those groceries are heavy, come home and cook, then get what 3 hours of sleep so you can do it all over again? The hard part for many of us on this board is to imagine living in those kind of conditions, and understanding why fast food might seem to be a better choice for many families - that way they can adhere to "family values" right?

I've been losing weight all year, and making good eating choices, but its mostly because I am writing my dissertation and am writing at home for a large portion of my time. So when I decide to break for food, I have the luxury of working out and having my lunch. Most people don't have that luxury, and, when I didn't, I barely worked out.

In a worst case scenerio, there are still "better" food options. Just because someone is poor and/or time restricted doesn't mean they have to choose burgers and fries. But overall, this argument doesn't really hold water. Because these same people have time to hop on buses and hit the malls, or the corner pub etc. One hour a week grocery shopping is not that infringing even if it takes three hours with combined public transportation.

Juberoo

Uncle Leo wrote:

I am at a point where I am not a "smart shopper" in terms of price. I don't worry about what I spend at the grocery store. Therefore, I have to admit some ignorance of what things cost.

However, every now and then I see prices and fresh fruit and vegetables are not cheap. I think you can go a lot further on Hamburger helper for your family than making everything fresh. Boxed crap is dirt cheap. The center aisles are cheap.

This is the only time (and the US perhaps the only place) in world history where poverty and obesity are correlated. Historically it was always the opposite. There are a lot of reasons for it, but I have read articles that it is cheaper per "filling" if you will to eat a lot of the empty cals provided in the middle aisles.

I was 40 to 50 pounds overweight and have been at ideal for over 4 years now. For me it was about amount, plain and simple. And despite what I say above, I have grown to firmly believe that there are few overweight people that have anyone to blame but themselves. We still make choices on amount. We still spend less on chips and fruit loops (as opposed to better food) and insist on having other less important luxuries--it is harder for the poor, but they have choices too. Unfortunately, food is the one "luxury" they can afford. But they still need to be smart about it. Yeah, a trip to DQ is affordable and good, but do it once a month, not twice a week.

Our lifestyle (collectively) is bad. And it is our (collective) fault. You should see the doughnuts, candy, etc. that people at my office eat all day. (A big part of my weight loss was giving that shit up and I have eaten shit at the office fewer than 10 times in four years). These people make the decision to eat horrible empty calories that they do not need, every day. They deserve what they get.

There are plenty of discount stores now. Even at a major chain, a box of hamburger helper would cost about $3 plus add the ground meat $2....for the same $3 the box costs, you could buy a .99c box of noodles and add the catsup and spices to make a healthier version. Plus when you buy fresh you usually have enough for at least two meals. Thus spreading your dollar further.

Juberoo

Overall though american society lends itself to laziness and overeating. Kids these days don't run around outside like their parents or grandparents. They sit home on computers or video games. The physical activity levels just aren't there. Combine that with poor food choices and you have rampant obesity.

ryan198

Juberoo wrote:

There are plenty of discount stores now. Even at a major chain, a box of hamburger helper would cost about $3 plus add the ground meat $2....for the same $3 the box costs, you could buy a .99c box of noodles and add the catsup and spices to make a healthier version. Plus when you buy fresh you usually have enough for at least two meals. Thus spreading your dollar further.

A lot of families do this, in fact, when I was young we rarely went out, and my mom still got a decent amount of produce for us. However, the foods she was able to afford - especially cheap things like noodles - are loaded with carbs, b/c those things fill you up quicker. Further they are quicker and easier to make, AND they perish much less quickly, particularly when compared to fresh produce. So when you are pounding down carbs, especially late night b/c your moms and/or dad is working late these things contribute to obesity. Moreover, they instill poor eating habits early in life.

Uncle Leo

Juberoo wrote:

Overall though american society lends itself to laziness and overeating. Kids these days don't run around outside like their parents or grandparents. They sit home on computers or video games. The physical activity levels just aren't there. Combine that with poor food choices and you have rampant obesity.

This I agree with.

Uncle Leo

Juberoo wrote:

There are plenty of discount stores now. Even at a major chain, a box of hamburger helper would cost about $3 plus add the ground meat $2....for the same $3 the box costs, you could buy a .99c box of noodles and add the catsup and spices to make a healthier version. Plus when you buy fresh you usually have enough for at least two meals. Thus spreading your dollar further.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/190061_obesity09.html

Between 1985 and 2000, the cost of fruits and vegetables shot up nearly 120 percent, while the price tags on soft drinks, fats, sugars and sweets increased by less than 50 percent, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

In a 2003 survey at a Seattle supermarket, Drewnowski found that foods considered culprits in the obesity epidemic, including chips, cookies and soft drinks, were cheaper per calorie than more nutritious options such as fresh carrots, lean meats and fruits.

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Juberoo

Uncle Leo wrote:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/190061_obesity09.html

Between 1985 and 2000, the cost of fruits and vegetables shot up nearly 120 percent, while the price tags on soft drinks, fats, sugars and sweets increased by less than 50 percent, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

In a 2003 survey at a Seattle supermarket, Drewnowski found that foods considered culprits in the obesity epidemic, including chips, cookies and soft drinks, were cheaper per calorie than more nutritious options such as fresh carrots, lean meats and fruits.

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I can give you a months worth of dinner recipes that would cost less than $10 each to make. So if the kids get free breakfast and lunch in school...(which most impoverished school districts give)...that means a total monthly food bill of approx. $300-500 per month. (including some snacks)

As opposed to feeding a family of say 4 every day fast food (estimated meal $5 each) for $600-800 per month (including purchased snacks)

Uncle Leo

Juberoo wrote:

I can give you a months worth of dinner recipes that would cost less than $10 each to make. So if the kids get free breakfast and lunch in school...(which most impoverished school districts give)...that means a total monthly food bill of approx. $300-500 per month. (including some snacks)

As opposed to feeding a family of say 4 every day fast food (estimated meal $5 each) for $600-800 per month (including purchased snacks)

Only extremely lazy/stupid families eat fast food anywhere near every day. But filling up is cheaper in the middle aisles.

Juberoo

Here is an example of a weeks menue with meals $10 or under. Of course many of these items would be part of your pantry stock. So the prices are guesstimates of breakdowns of those times.

Chicken Paprikash:
1 pkg chicken thighs $5.00
½ tub sour crème .50c.
1 pkg. wide egg noodles $2.00
3 boullion cubes .25c.
2 lg. onions .25c.
2 garlic cloves .15c.
Paprika .50c.
Green beans (frozen for side dish) $1.25
Butter .25c.


Pot Roast:
1 Lg. roast $11.00
6 potatoes $1.00
2 carrots .50c.
1 stalk celery .15c.
1 pkg. lipton onion mushroom soup mix $1.25
Bay leaf .20c.
½ can of beer (optional) .75c.
Broccoli (frozen for side dish) $1.25


BBQ Beef Sandwiches:
Shreaded beef (leftovers from roast) FREE
½ bottle bbq sauce $1.25
Hamburger buns .99c.
Salad with carrots and celery (side dish) $3.00


Spaghetti:
1 can tomatoe sauce .99c.
1 can crushed tomatoes .99c.
1 sm. Onion .15c.
4 cloves garlic .60c.
1 lb. ground meat $1.50
1 box wheat noodles .99c.
Salad with carrots and celery (side dish) $3.00


Pork Chops:
1 family pack chops $7.00
Rosemary .10c.
Salt and pepper .05c.
1 lg. onion 20c.
1 cup wine .75c.
Baked Potatoes (side dish) $1.00
Broccoli (frozen side dish) $1.25
Butter .25c.


BBQ Chicken Thighs:
1 family pack thighs $3.00
½ bottle bbq sauce $1.25
Corn on the cob $3.00
Corn Bread $2.00
Butter .25c.


Hot Dogs:
Dogs $2.25
Buns .99c.
Fries $3.00
Cucumber $75c.
Carrots/Celery sticks $1.00
Ranch Salad Dressing $1.50
Katchup/Mustard .50c.


Snacks:
Apples and Cheese $2.00
Popcorn $1.50
Popscicles $2.25
Wheat Puffs $1.50
Sun Chips $3.25
Yogurt $5.00
Oranges $2.00
Grapes $3.00
PBJ Crackers $4.00


Total for the week: less than $100

Juberoo

Uncle Leo wrote:

Only extremely lazy/stupid families eat fast food anywhere near every day.

I agree...but other posters claim that poor or struggling families have neither the time nor the energy to cook meals. Thus eating out every day.

macgyver06

Juberoo wrote:

wow got a bit of an issue with authority figurese eh?

yes..yes I do

fanch75

All I can say is that I'm glad I lift weights and am glad that I run.