Television makes people stupid

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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Juberoo wrote:
    I rarely watch tv anymore. Maybe 1-3 hours total a week....and that would be mostly news or Oprah. It just doesn't interest me. I'd rather spend my "mindless moments" right here on the computer :) LOL

    I'v given up TV exclusively for the first thrid of this year and I never watch it except with my daughter watching the Science Network.

    However, at work my boss watches Fox News and I cannot believe the stuff that's said/reported on there. He's an extremly wealthly man and not to be questioned but I had to ask him one day why he watches this particular news station and he said, "it's sensationalism at it's best and nothing on there that's believable". I said to myself for a 90 year old he's pretty with it.

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  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,278
    Thoughts?

    How many hours a day to you succumb to it?

    I think if you could see yourself watching TV, you would probably be disturbed at what you discover.

    Opinions? First hand experiences? Personal triumphs?
    It's a curse during unemployment. When I lived in Green Bay Wisconsin for 5 months in 1991 I knew every video on MTV and VH1, and I was underemployed. When I moved to Madison, Wisconsin, within no time I had read 12 books of literature as I didn't have access to a TV. It was a clear sign that I should not have TV. I have one now which I use for DVDs when I'm knitting/needlepointing, but not for TV programming. I thought I could escape the commercials, but there are quite a few commercials on radio. It's mind boggling.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    As with anything in life, it's what you watch not how much you watch.

    I watch a ton of tv, but I'm always watching National Geographic, Science Channel, History Channel, etc. or sporting events. I barely watch network tv.

    I've always watched a ton of tv and have done pretty well in life. I just think the original poster is making too broad a statement saying that watching television automatically makes people stupid.
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    I figured when I saw this that we'd get the standard "I watch History and Discovery Channels only." If I had a nickel for every time someone said that...but look at what crap is pulling in the big numbers.

    I admit it. I watch TV. I don't happen to believe that you have to constantly be doing things to improve yourself. I go to work, I work out (with the I-pod), I read quite a bit. I don't mind vegging out a bit. I think there is value to it.

    TV, like sweets and alcohol is OK if in moderation. I suppose I watch a bit too much. The Twins, in the summer, are usually on if I am reading or doing things around the house. I watch my teams (U of Wisconsin and the Twins) when I can and my secondary teams (Vikes, Wild, Wolves) on occasion.

    I still catch the SImpson's every Sunday and While it's not as good as it was a decade ago, it is by no means "dumb." I was a huge Seinfeld fan and catch their reruns now and again. I watch the Daily Show, though not religiously.

    I probably average an hour of non-sports a day. Throw in sports, typically on the weekend and it goes up. I still manage to read, workout, and do plenty of enjoyable "real world" recreation--perhaps due to the fact that "I ain't working" (see I only work 40 hours a week).

    Too much? Probably a bit, yeah.
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    Solat13 wrote:
    As with anything in life, it's what you watch not how much you watch.

    I watch a ton of tv, but I'm always watching National Geographic, Science Channel, History Channel, etc. or sporting events. I barely watch network tv.

    I've always watched a ton of tv and have done pretty well in life. I just think the original poster is making too broad a statement saying that watching television automatically makes people stupid.

    How much is important too. Very few people watch "a ton of TV" and have almost all of it be valuable. A ton of crap TV (and a lot of people do that) is a big problem, yes. But a little crap TV is OK (even if reality is your thing...it's not mine).
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Since I've moved to the Boonies, the tv is rarely on except for kids movies on VHS (yes, VHS) or DVD. There's not only no time to watch tv, but it's completely unnecessary. I'm actually really happy that I don't have cable; that's a huge bill for crap t.v. that we wouldn't be watching anyway. I do miss a few shows, but not many.

    I'm plenty happy with PBS. Great programming for free.
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    I figured when I saw this that we'd get the standard "I watch History and Discovery Channels only." If I had a nickel for every time someone said that...but look at what crap is pulling in the big numbers.

    I admit it. I watch TV. I don't happen to believe that you have to constantly be doing things to improve yourself. I go to work, I work out (with the I-pod), I read quite a bit. I don't mind vegging out a bit. I think there is value to it.

    TV, like sweets and alcohol is OK if in moderation. I suppose I watch a bit too much. The Twins, in the summer, are usually on if I am reading or doing things around the house. I watch my teams (U of Wisconsin and the Twins) when I can and my secondary teams (Vikes, Wild, Wolves) on occasion.

    I still catch the SImpson's every Sunday and While it's not as good as it was a decade ago, it is by no means "dumb." I was a huge Seinfeld fan and catch their reruns now and again. I watch the Daily Show, though not religiously.

    I probably average an hour of non-sports a day. Throw in sports, typically on the weekend and it goes up. I still manage to read, workout, and do plenty of enjoyable "real world" recreation--perhaps due to the fact that "I ain't working" (see I only work 40 hours a week).

    Too much? Probably a bit, yeah.

    Geez! :rolleyes: I confessed I watched Days of Our Lives, Bold & Beautiful, Desperate Housewives, Gray's Anatomy and CSI as well as all the other stuff! :p
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    Jeanie wrote:
    Geez! :rolleyes: I confessed I watched Days of Our Lives, Bold & Beautiful, Desperate Housewives, Gray's Anatomy and CSI as well as all the other stuff! :p

    Allright, I'll admit to a true guilty pleasure...Without a Trace. My wife likes it and I got into it.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    How much is important too. Very few people watch "a ton of TV" and have almost all of it be valuable. A ton of crap TV (and a lot of people do that) is a big problem, yes. But a little crap TV is OK (even if reality is your thing...it's not mine).

    Honestly, I watch the Red Sox, NFL football, 3 network shows a week - none of which are reality shows.

    I love the History Channel though - I watch Digging for the Truth, Deep Sea Detectives, History's Lost and Found, Decoding the Past, Cities of the Underworld. I also watch Survivorman and Deadliest Catch on Discovery. I loved the Planet Earth series on there and Shark Week. And I watch Is It Real? and Naked Science on National Geographic.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Solat13 wrote:
    As with anything in life, it's what you watch not how much you watch.

    I watch a ton of tv, but I'm always watching National Geographic, Science Channel, History Channel, etc. or sporting events. I barely watch network tv.

    I've always watched a ton of tv and have done pretty well in life. I just think the original poster is making too broad a statement saying that watching television automatically makes people stupid.

    Agree. The commercial free version of all that would be worthwhile.
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    Allright, I'll admit to a true guilty pleasure...Without a Trace. My wife likes it and I got into it.

    Yeah, I watch Without A Trace from time to time too. You know coz it's full of Aussies! :D

    I'd be the first to admit that I can watch mindless shit on tele and enjoy it. But I am enjoying a lot of more "serious" "non commercial" tele lately too.
    Mostly though my message pit obsession has put an end to my tv addiction! :eek: :o:D
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  • IDgotIIDgotI Posts: 262
    It might seem a little far out to drag Al Gore into this, but he has some really interesting stuff in his latest book "The assault on reason" about television. He cites scientific evidence that television triggers an "Orienting reflex" in people, the same sort of reflex that gets triggered in animals in the wilderness when they perceive movement with their peripheral vision. It causes us to focus a tremendous amount of "pre cerebral" or root instinctive brain activity paying attention to the motion in question ... to make sure it's not a predator in the brush.

    Ok... remember, I'm just relaying something in a book... but it's a very interesting, and if true, mighty troubling notion. Basically he's arguing that on some level television taps into an instinct that makes it impossible, or at least counter instinctual for us to look away.

    Unfotunately I do get caught up in the TV trap a lot after a day at work, but I try to combat it with DVDs and 'choice' of content. I spend a lot of time watching live music dvd's with Touring Band 2000, Live at the Garden, Live at the Showbox and Single Video Theory getting a lot of rotation.
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    I gave up cable about ten years ago and watch no more than 3 hours of tv a week unless you count dvd's. I don't think tv makes people stupid.

    Laziness makes people stupid. Too lazy too stay informed, too lazy to think critically, too lazy to give a fuck, to lazy to take any responsibility that should go hand in hand with all the rights we demand. To truly understand how lazy the average Norh American is just look how fat we are on average and how we try to blame this fatness on everyone but ourselves for this, some even try to blame the government.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    TV has taught me a lot of stuff.

    First of all it introduced me to the English language at an early age (my native language isn't English), which made it easier to study English. This is not something subjective, it's a fact when you hear a language and you hear it often you get start to recognize syntactic, idioms...

    And secondly, you can learn a lot from TV if you're not lazy. I spent hours looking things up I heard on TV. For instance, I used to watch the Fresh Prince and Will Smith mentioned Malcolm X a couple of times, I found out everything I could about him (most of the information was in English, which made me grab the dictionary every three lines and by doing that I increased my vocabulary), I wanted to know about books people were mentioning on TV, more than once I consulted my world atlas because I wanted to see where a certain place was...

    I heard about Edgar Allan Poe on TV and consequently went to the library to read his works.

    As I grew older I started watching more serious programmes on National Geographic. Now we have Discovery Channel(s) and quite a few other informative channels. They introduce ideas. If I'm interested I study them further.

    Also think about documentaries and movies like Hotel Rwanda.

    My conclusion is TV doesn't necessarily make people stupid and it doesn't necessarily make them smart. It's there and you can use it any way you want or you can get rid of it.
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    surferdude wrote:
    I gave up cable about ten years ago and watch no more than 3 hours of tv a week unless you count dvd's. I don't think tv makes people stupid.

    Laziness makes people stupid. Too lazy too stay informed, too lazy to think critically, too lazy to give a fuck, to lazy to take any responsibility that should go hand in hand with all the rights we demand. To truly understand how lazy the average Norh American is just look how fat we are on average and how we try to blame this fatness on everyone but ourselves for this, some even try to blame the government.

    Geez! :rolleyes: Have a hissy fit why don't ya? :p
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    surferdude wrote:
    Laziness makes people stupid. Too lazy too stay informed, too lazy to think critically, too lazy to give a fuck, to lazy to take any responsibility that should go hand in hand with all the rights we demand.

    Exactly.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Television the drug of the Nation
    Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation....Michael Franti


    I often wonder if it's better to have my child watch the little tv she does or use her computer? I would have to choose the computer cause she a wizard on there for a 11 yr old. She helps me out when I run into problems I can't solve.

    The Science Channel is her thing she wnats to be an astronaut.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Jeanie wrote:
    Geez! :rolleyes: Have a hissy fit why don't ya? :p
    Well it's Friday, the sun is shining and I'm at work. I think I deserve to have at least one hissy fit today. It's still almost nine hours until I get that first pitcher of beer and maintaining hope and optimism is tough.
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    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    surferdude wrote:
    Well it's Friday, the sun is shining and I'm at work. I think I deserve to have at least one hissy fit today. It's still almost nine hours until I get that first pitcher of beer and maintaining hope and optimism is tough.

    Fair enough! :) Makes a lot more sense knowing that! ;)
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Funny how some posters here talk about TV making one stupid, yet rely on YouTube for their edumacation. A little too ironic, dontcha think?

    TV is what you let it be. I watch sports, news, history, cspan, etc... My son loved Animal Planet when he was younger, and Discovery Channel is one of his favorites now, along with Fox Soccer Channel. Both of my kids are 4.0 students. Both of them watch TV. Neither of them is stupid.

    Just like with computers - garbage in/garbage out. TV can certainly dumb one down. But TV can also enlighten, teach and inform. BTW, I think YouTube can, too.
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  • jeffbr wrote:
    Funny how some posters here talk about TV making one stupid, yet rely on YouTube for their edumacation. A little too ironic, dontcha think?

    ...and you pretend to know this how/why?

    btw...whats an "edumacation"?...lol
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    ..btw...whats an "edumacation"?...lol

    You don't say edumacation Roland? :) Gee I do! I've got no idea why but it's a great word! :)
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    ...and you pretend to know this how/why?

    Pretend to know what? I do know, based on your posts, that you spend an considerable amount of time watching vids on the computer. Either that or you just link us to them without actually watching them.
    btw...whats an "edumacation"?...lol

    Dat's how you be learnin'.
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  • jeffbr wrote:
    Pretend to know what? I do know, based on your posts, that you spend an considerable amount of time watching vids on the computer. Either that or you just link us to them without actually watching them.



    Dat's how you be learnin'.

    I spend a lot time in front of the computer in general...that's how I be earnin' ;)

    Join some groups....pretty amazing the information and links people can share back and forth....saves a lot of time. You'd be surprised.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    stupid parents raise stupid children

    that is not the television's fault
  • "TV viewing and poor school performance

    Only a handful of programs teach children important skills such as math, reading, science or problem solving. Most of the shows on television, including cartoons, are noneducational. More time spent watching these shows is linked with poorer school performance overall and decreased scores on standardized tests. This makes sense when you consider that more time spent in front of a television means less time spent on homework or having stimulating interactions with adults or other children. In addition, late-night TV watching tires kids out so that they can't pay attention in school. Also, television hands kids all the answers, promoting passive learning and short attention spans. As a result, kids have difficulty concentrating and working hard to solve a problem. "

    http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9908/20/kids.tv.effects/

    "Mind Deterioration.

    When you watch TV, you’ll find that it does all the work FOR you. You don’t need to “create” in your mind like you do when reading. When you read, your brain has to use its imagination to come up with the smells, the tastes, the sounds, the pictures, and the feelings described in the book or article but when you watch TV, all of that is already done for you (at least the hearing and seeing part). If you ever wonder why your brain feels so “empty” after watching television, that’s exactly why. Your brain shuts off because it has no job to do. "
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    g under p wrote:
    Television the drug of the Nation
    Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation....Michael Franti


    I often wonder if it's better to have my child watch the little tv she does or use her computer? I would have to choose the computer cause she a wizard on there for a 11 yr old. She helps me out when I run into problems I can't solve.

    The Science Channel is her thing she wnats to be an astronaut.

    Peace

    I just realized that I have more computers in my house than I do televisions. 4 computers-2 televisions (1 in the basement unplugged...oh one in the shed waiting for a yard sale). As far as for children television should be used in moderation educationally rather than a pacifer to keep them occupied.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    g under p wrote:
    Television the drug of the Nation
    Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation....Michael Franti


    I often wonder if it's better to have my child watch the little tv she does or use her computer? I would have to choose the computer cause she a wizard on there for a 11 yr old. She helps me out when I run into problems I can't solve.

    The Science Channel is her thing she wnats to be an astronaut.

    Peace
    "Because the streets are alive...singing oombah..tell a neighbor tell a friend.....every flower's gotta right to be blooming..."

    Good day to ya, GunderP!

    and jammers!

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    a derivitive of nature.
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  • DerrickDerrick Posts: 475
    One could argue the internet makes people stupid. One really doesn't have to remember anything anymore...it's all here on the web. When Einstein said he would never remember his phone number since it was in the phone book...the internet is like the overdrive version of that quote.

    I watch TV to be entertained. If I don't like what I'm watching I turn it off. I've gone 2 years without really watching TV.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    IDgotI wrote:
    It might seem a little far out to drag Al Gore into this, but he has some really interesting stuff in his latest book "The assault on reason" about television. He cites scientific evidence that television triggers an "Orienting reflex" in people, the same sort of reflex that gets triggered in animals in the wilderness when they perceive movement with their peripheral vision. It causes us to focus a tremendous amount of "pre cerebral" or root instinctive brain activity paying attention to the motion in question ... to make sure it's not a predator in the brush.

    Ok... remember, I'm just relaying something in a book... but it's a very interesting, and if true, mighty troubling notion. Basically he's arguing that on some level television taps into an instinct that makes it impossible, or at least counter instinctual for us to look away.

    Unfotunately I do get caught up in the TV trap a lot after a day at work, but I try to combat it with DVDs and 'choice' of content. I spend a lot of time watching live music dvd's with Touring Band 2000, Live at the Garden, Live at the Showbox and Single Video Theory getting a lot of rotation.

    I started to notice this when I was a teenager. I quit watching TV at 16, and when I would visit someone that had the TV on I couldn't not look at it. It always stole my attention, as hard as I tried to look away, the minute I lost focus I'd turn to look at it again.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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