The Army & Marines are getting desperate

dmitry

i was in the marines, and i wouldn't describe it as a hellhole. boot camp is a hellhole, but that is only a small portion of the time actually spent in the marine corps.

i had to get one of these waivers to enlist. there's no reason to require a waiver for one-time drug use as the marines do.

allforcarrie

yet, hte Air Force is cutting people like crazy.

not4u

but becuase the public does not and will possibly not tolerate a draft, the use off all these nuclear weapons we made is 100% on the table.

justam

In my opinion, the lack of the draft is something significant that has kept the population from rising up against this war more strongly.

I remember how people were during Vietnam...I was a kid, but I remember the fear my grandparents had because my uncle was that age...

If the draft was re-instated it might actually anger people enough to get up and say something.

I don't know, but, it seems that way to me...

Cosmo

scot88 wrote:

in my opinion, the reason behind the military's lowered standards is irrelevant. if a youth is offered two options, a life of crime leading to jail or the military, and they choose military and straighten their life out, how is that a bad thing? i personally know someone who had only these two options, and they chose the military. it was good choice for all parties involved.

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But, when the military was meeting and/or exceeding their expected quotas... your friend would have been left with one option because your friend would not have been able to hop over the bar in his situation.
The bottom line... the standard is being lowered to accept 'less desireable' recruits to man M-60s and gain access to hand grenades because the recruitment numbers are low.

scot88

Cosmo wrote:

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But, when the military was meeting and/or exceeding their expected quotas... your friend would have been left with one option because your friend would not have been able to hop over the bar in his situation.
The bottom line... the standard is being lowered to accept 'less desireable' recruits to man M-60s and gain access to hand grenades because the recruitment numbers are low.

when (in the past 20 or so years) has the military actually met it's quotas?

810wmb

justam wrote:

In my opinion, the lack of the draft is something significant that has kept the population from rising up against this war more strongly.

I remember how people were during Vietnam...I was a kid, but I remember the fear my grandparents had because my uncle was that age...

If the draft was re-instated it might actually anger people enough to get up and say something.

I don't know, but, it seems that way to me...

yr right

if yr ass is on the line, you'll sho nuf take action

scot88

justam wrote:

In my opinion, the lack of the draft is something significant that has kept the population from rising up against this war more strongly.

I remember how people were during Vietnam...I was a kid, but I remember the fear my grandparents had because my uncle was that age...

If the draft was re-instated it might actually anger people enough to get up and say something.

I don't know, but, it seems that way to me...

i've always thought that a draft is the only thing needed to catapult the iraq war into a vietnam-size debacle.

Cosmo

scot88 wrote:

when (in the past 20 or so years) has the military actually met it's quotas?

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A: In most of the past 20 years... except the numbers have fallen off since 2004.
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puremagic

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-10-17-gayads_N.htm

Military inadvertently recruits gays

USA TODAY
The Army, Navy and Air Force unwittingly advertised for recruits on a website for gays, who are barred from military service if they are open about their sexual orientation.

When informed Tuesday by USA TODAY that they were advertising on GLEE.com, a networking website for gay professionals, recruiters expressed surprise and said they would remove the job listings.

"This is the first I've heard about it," said Maj. Michael Baptista, advertising branch chief for the Army National Guard, which will spend $6.5 million on Internet recruiting this year. "We didn't knowingly advertise on that particular website," which he said does not "meet the moral standards" of the military.

Capt. Jack Hanzlik, a Navy recruiting spokesman, said his service ordered more than 8,000 ads taken off GLEE, which stands for Gay, Lesbian & Everyone Else. By late Wednesday, most were gone.

Marine Corps ads on GLEE were only for two civilian jobs not covered by the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy, which allows gays to serve in uniform only if they keep quiet about their sexual orientation.

Most of the military jobs posted were hard-to-fill positions requiring advanced training, although some ads sought to fill core combat slots at a time when the Iraq war has challenged recruiters to meet goals. They included:

•Thousands of Navy openings for doctors, dentists, intelligence analysts, Arabic translators and others.

•Hundreds of Air Force jobs for optometrists, social workers, physician's assistants and nurses.

•Nearly 1,000 Army National Guard and active Army positions, including infantry and artillery.

The ads were placed through GLEE's parent company, New York-based Community Connect, as part of an alliance with jobs-listing giant Monster.com.

Betty Huang of Community Connect says the military services, through private ad agencies, bought Monster's "diversity and inclusion" package, which includes posts on her company's niche websites for Asian-Americans, blacks, Latinos and gays. ...

Cosmo

justam wrote:

In my opinion, the lack of the draft is something significant that has kept the population from rising up against this war more strongly.

I remember how people were during Vietnam...I was a kid, but I remember the fear my grandparents had because my uncle was that age...

If the draft was re-instated it might actually anger people enough to get up and say something.

I don't know, but, it seems that way to me...

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People will support the war (or the decisions for going to war) when there is no risk on their part. This war is being fought by the tiniest portion of our population... the Soldiers and their families. That's it. The average American is not in this war at all... we are not being asked to make any sacrifices... not rationing... Hell, we are NOT EVEN PAYING FOR THIS WAR... OUR KIDS ARE GETTING THE BILL!!!
And saying, "I Support Our Troops" isn't doing shit... words are shit... worthless shit. There is no way that "I Support Our Troops" and "They (Soldiers) Should Have Know What They Signed Up For" equate. Calling our troops too stupid to know what they are getting into is NOT support.