Vodka and Orange

PaperPlates

the IDEA of me?>

Bu2

I come up with them all the time. But then they fade away, like dust, if I don't write them down real fast.

I love the idea of everybody. I love the fact that we're all here. I love debates and fun conversations and I love hypothetical this and "imagine that".

I also love freedoms that are ours by right and by law. I love the fact that I have the freedom to write on this message board. I love the freedom that allows me to march in protest and that gives me the right to speak in public about why and how our government has gone wrong and where and how it could be turned right.

I love the fact that if I am ever pulled into a jail some night, being accused of a crime I might or might not have committed, I can stand in front of a jury of my peers and have the chance to prove myself innocent or guilty with the help of my defense attorney. I love the fact that if there is circumstantial evidence against me that can be proven faulty, I might have a chance to be acquitted.

Because I might actually be innocent. I'm not saying OJ was innocent. That was not my argument. My argument is for the precedent that his case might have opened up to upcoming trials down the line.

If you're going to rewrite the laws to screw one guilty man over, then you have to be open to the idea that those same laws will screw an innocent man over, someday down the line.

PaperPlates

..............besides every other one out there that is.

Bu2

I would love to see our earth be as one. One government, intent on protecting the planet we live on. One planet, intent on finding ways to keep ourselves perpetuating without wasting our resources. One planet, united in finding ways to treat our galaxy as the gift that it is. One planet, one people, one race, one goal....to not kill ourselves.

Bu2

I'm a dreamer. And quite stoned.

Jeanie

Bu2 wrote:

a shitload of alcohol in me (well, not THAT much, heh heh), and I'm just over-reacting to everything and yet having fun by under-reacting to everything by making it a joke about sex and blow jobs.

You know, kinda like Clinton.

Um, Bill, that is.

Wouldn't you just love to sit down with Hilary and get drunk one night and hear what she has to say about blow jobs?

Jeanie

PaperPlates wrote:

rampant face sitting?

I'm grey girl PP. Usually see at least 2 sides to everything, and not so much the solutions a lot of the time. Hence me being a dodgy fence sitter.

Think what bu's b/f said about the OJ sich is correct but I can also see what she is saying too and to be honest trying to find a solution just makes me glaze over all numb. :eek:

Jeanie

Bu2 wrote:

I come up with them all the time. But then they fade away, like dust, if I don't write them down real fast.

I love the idea of everybody. I love the fact that we're all here. I love debates and fun conversations and I love hypothetical this and "imagine that".

I also love freedoms that are ours by right and by law. I love the fact that I have the freedom to write on this message board. I love the freedom that allows me to march in protest and that gives me the right to speak in public about why and how our government has gone wrong and where and how it could be turned right.

I love the fact that if I am ever pulled into a jail some night, being accused of a crime I might or might not have committed, I can stand in front of a jury of my peers and have the chance to prove myself innocent or guilty with the help of my defense attorney. I love the fact that if there is circumstantial evidence against me that can be proven faulty, I might have a chance to be acquitted.

Because I might actually be innocent. I'm not saying OJ was innocent. That was not my argument. My argument is for the precedent that his case might have opened up to upcoming trials down the line.

If you're going to rewrite the laws to screw one guilty man over, then you have to be open to the idea that those same laws will screw an innocent man over, someday down the line.

Well bu my girl. That is a very impassioned and reasoned argument. And I agree.
I think the freedom to be able to speak is one that is being slowly eroded and I'm not prepared to let it go. The consequences would be too far reaching and sinister. I'm just not so sure where I stand when it comes to crime and punishment these days because I do think that unfortunately too much of the law has been way laid by spin. It's what slant can be put upon something to gain the best advantage for the accused. And I really cannot tolerate the fact that if you are guilty no one ever stands up and just says so anymore.

Bu2

Because as much as I believe that OJ killed Nicole and Ron, I'm for the fact that his case was held up in court as being acquitted.

The evidence was faulty, it was tainted, and that could happen to an innocent person who can't afford the "Dream Team" lawyers that OJ could afford.

That was what my argument was.

Jeanie

Bu2 wrote:

I would love to see our earth be as one. One government, intent on protecting the planet we live on. One planet, intent on finding ways to keep ourselves perpetuating without wasting our resources. One planet, united in finding ways to treat our galaxy as the gift that it is. One planet, one people, one race, one goal....to not kill ourselves.

You rock bu! Truly you do!

I'd love for it to be like that too.

Jeanie

Bu2 wrote:

Because as much as I believe that OJ killed Nicole and Ron, I'm for the fact that his case was held up in court as being acquitted.

The evidence was faulty, it was tainted, and that could happen to an innocent person who can't afford the "Dream Team" lawyers that OJ could afford.

That was what my argument was.

No, I understood what you meant. And I agree that faulty evidence should never result in a conviction. But why were the people that supplied the faulty evidence never subject to review? I guess my problem is that the court system as is stands currently is seemingly highly ineffective in a lot of cases and that's not right. I mean what of justice for Nicole Brown and other victims? Or at the very least, that people can be safe in the knowledge that when a person's guilt is obvious that we can find ways for them to be subject to rehabilitation or some kind of control? It's not right that the man walked. And that he, for all intents and purposes, has been able to get on with his life without being accountable for his actions? To that end the court is failing. Along with them having to make the findings that they did. Especially when they also make the mistake of penalizing the innocent. That's wrong.