do muslims want us coverted to Islam

lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
edited December 2006 in A Moving Train
Just interested
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  • I have faced it, A life wasted...

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  • Yes, but I think the same can be said of Christians.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    beemster wrote:
    Just interested

    Did you mean to say 'cavorted'? :confused:

    ca·vort (kə-vôrt') Pronunciation Key
    intr.v. ca·vort·ed, ca·vort·ing, ca·vorts

    To bound or prance about in a sprightly manner; caper.
    To have lively or boisterous fun; romp: The children cavorted in the water, splashing and ducking each other.


    I personally don't believe that Muslims want me to bound or prance about in a sprightly manner. But then, I could be wrong. :confused: :eek:

    I certainly hope they don't want to romp with me! All that chanting and yelling they do would get on my nerves and cause me to lose my boner! :rolleyes:
  • enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,917
    Muslims do not consider it a conversion, but a reversion...as it is opined that Islam is older than Christianity.

    There are some Muslim's who would like us all to revert. There are others who are not so concerned with it. There are still others who think that all who are not Muslim should die.

    There are Christians who are like this as well.
  • enharmonic wrote:
    Muslims do not consider it a conversion, but a reversion...as it is opined that Islam is older than Christianity.

    There are some Muslim's who would like us all to revert. There are others who are not so concerned with it. There are still others who think that all who are not Muslim should die.

    There are Christians who are like this as well.
    "some"!!!!!!!!!who think we all shoud die!!!!!dude are u insane?

    now i aint an expert on muslim n shit but i know that they jus hell-bent on killin us.
    THEY HATE FREEDOM:THEY HATE DEMOCRACY'S:THEY HATE JEW's.thas all u need to know about muslim/arab bull shit. (man im pissed today(
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I would think that, if they love people, they would want them all to share the same faith and belief system. I think if you truly believe in something that will save someone and prevent them much pain and hardship, it's your duty to try and share it.
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  • Sonja_SSonja_S Posts: 444
    Dino283 wrote:
    "some"!!!!!!!!!who think we all shoud die!!!!!dude are u insane?

    now i aint an expert on muslim n shit but i know that they jus hell-bent on killin us.
    THEY HATE FREEDOM:THEY HATE DEMOCRACY'S:THEY HATE JEW's.thas all u need to know about muslim/arab bull shit. (man im pissed today(

    Wow, that was one heck of an educated post. :rolleyes:

    There are fundamentalists in every religion. Unfortunately we live in a time where muslim fundamentalism is heavily promoted and used by corrupt a-holes who manage to rope easily impressionable people in for a 'greater good'. That has always worked well in the past. The poorer the people, the easier they are going to believe some bullshit if it promises a way to greener pastures.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Dino283 wrote:
    now i aint an expert on muslim n shit but i know that they jus hell-bent on killin us.
    THEY HATE FREEDOM:THEY HATE DEMOCRACY'S:THEY HATE JEW's.thas all u need to know about muslim/arab bull shit.

    Thankyou for setting me straight on the meaning of Islam. I'm glad that we have people like yourself around to educate us on these complex issues.
  • Dino283 wrote:
    "some"!!!!!!!!!who think we all shoud die!!!!!dude are u insane?

    now i aint an expert on muslim n shit but i know that they jus hell-bent on killin us.
    THEY HATE FREEDOM:THEY HATE DEMOCRACY'S:THEY HATE JEW's.thas all u need to know about muslim/arab bull shit. (man im pissed today(


    it all made sense when i saw your location. i guess muslims are your generations version of grandaddys black man.
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    know1 wrote:
    I would think that, if they love people, they would want them all to share the same faith and belief system. I think if you truly believe in something that will save someone and prevent them much pain and hardship, it's your duty to try and share it.
    my thoughts exactly.
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  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    enharmonic wrote:
    Muslims do not consider it a conversion, but a reversion...as it is opined that Islam is older than Christianity.

    Interesting how people can just ... make shit up.
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    it all made sense when i saw your location. i guess muslims are your generations version of grandaddys black man.

    One bigoted comment probably doesn't deserve another.
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    Interesting how people can just ... make shit up.

    What part of this sentence of enharmonic's quote do you feel is made up shit?
    enharmonic wrote:
    Muslims do not consider it a conversion, but a reversion...as it is opined that Islam is older than Christianity.
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  • floyd1975floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    One bigoted comment probably doesn't deserve another.

    I don't expect anything more than that from this board though.
  • Th eteachings of the Koran and Muhammad actuallt advocate freedom of choice with religion. If someone is fordcibly converted to Islam, they are not a true Muslim. A person must come to Islam of their own free will. Even so, there are many fanaticals out there who are confused and misguided and perhaps crazy, who would like to convert everyone to Islam forcibly if need be.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I agree with Dino





















































    Not! :D
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    know1 wrote:
    I would think that, if they love people, they would want them all to share the same faith and belief system.


    Kind of like sharing herpes? :D
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Dino283 wrote:
    "some"!!!!!!!!!who think we all shoud die!!!!!dude are u insane?

    now i aint an expert on muslim n shit but i know that they jus hell-bent on killin us.
    THEY HATE FREEDOM:THEY HATE DEMOCRACY'S:THEY HATE JEW's.thas all u need to know about muslim/arab bull shit. (man im pissed today(

    I suggest omitting caffiene from your diet.
  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    really depends on the person. some do some dont, just like some jews and some christians and some hindus etc etc. fuck im sure a shitload of scientologists want us to convert. muslims are not all the same.
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    puremagic wrote:
    What part of this sentence of enharmonic's quote do you feel is made up shit?
    enharmonic wrote:
    Muslims do not consider it a conversion, but a reversion...as it is opined that Islam is older than Christianity.

    Islam proper is not older than Christianity. Middle Eastern culture, yes. The religion known as Islam, no.
  • warehouse wrote:
    Th eteachings of the Koran and Muhammad actuallt advocate freedom of choice with religion. If someone is fordcibly converted to Islam, they are not a true Muslim. A person must come to Islam of their own free will. Even so, there are many fanaticals out there who are confused and misguided and perhaps crazy, who would like to convert everyone to Islam forcibly if need be.


    Yeah I guess it depends on how militant the person or group is who are advocating the religion I suppose.
    "We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan
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    Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
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  • So which is older, christianity or islam?

    I know hinduism is older than all of them though! :P
    "We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan
    ---
    London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
    London, Wembley, 1996
    London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
    London, O2, 18 August 2009
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
    Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
    London, O2, 18 June 2018
    London, O2, 17 July 2018
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 09 June 2019
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 10 June 2019



  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    NMyTree wrote:
    Kind of like sharing herpes? :D

    Is that an attempt at a joke? It isn't real funny.
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    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,917
    puremagic wrote:
    What part of this sentence of enharmonic's quote do you feel is made up shit?


    Islam proper is not older than Christianity. Middle Eastern culture, yes. The religion known as Islam, no.

    I didn't make it up, and it's not shit. The operative word was "opine". There have been any number of scholarly debates regarding the origins of both systems.

    Christianity was accepted in 391 by the Romans. Islam is given an official "start" date of 610. However, the Qur'an states that Islam existed before the Qur'an. Reverting is the condition of returning to the pure spirit, as far as I understand.

    The original teachings of Muhammad were preserved by scribes. The teachings of Jesus are hearsay at best. Several of the Gosples attributed to apostles were not even written by the apostles.
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    enharmonic wrote:



    The original teachings of Muhammad were preserved by scribes. The teachings of Jesus are hearsay at best. Several of the Gosples attributed to apostles were not even written by the apostles.

    lol @ hearsay. Oral tradition..the same way Mohammed teachings were first circulated.

    The only difference being that Jesus was actually correct.........
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  • miller8966 wrote:
    enharmonic wrote:



    The only difference being that Jesus was actually correct.........

    Correct about what?
    "We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan
    ---
    London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
    London, Wembley, 1996
    London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
    London, O2, 18 August 2009
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
    Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
    London, O2, 18 June 2018
    London, O2, 17 July 2018
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 09 June 2019
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 10 June 2019



  • enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,917
    You have your quote wrong, Restless. I didn't say that.

    Miller, hit the books. There's not a shred of evidence to support your assertion. It's all "faith", whatever that is.

    muhammad had scribes. Jesus did not. As for oral tradition, I would like you to remember the teacher who has had the most profound impact on you in your life, and quote their teaching verbatim. To make it somewhat fair, lets take your favorite teacher form 30 years ago, since that's about how long it took for a Christian to write the first gospel after Jesus was crucified.
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    enharmonic wrote:
    I didn't make it up, and it's not shit. The operative word was "opine". There have been any number of scholarly debates regarding the origins of both systems.

    Christianity was accepted in 391 by the Romans. Islam is given an official "start" date of 610. However, the Qur'an states that Islam existed before the Qur'an. Reverting is the condition of returning to the pure spirit, as far as I understand.


    I wasn't referring to you making shit up ... I meant the people who believe that Islam is older. There's no evidence that's the case, and if you go by these official start dates (themselves kind of a funny concept), Islam is the younger faith.
  • enharmonic wrote:
    You have your quote wrong, Restless. I didn't say that.

    .

    Sorry. How did I get the quote wrong?
    "We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan
    ---
    London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
    London, Wembley, 1996
    London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
    London, O2, 18 August 2009
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
    Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
    London, O2, 18 June 2018
    London, O2, 17 July 2018
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 09 June 2019
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 10 June 2019



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