Suze Orman just convinced me the bailout bill is a bad thing?

eekamouseeekamouse Posts: 267
edited September 2008 in A Moving Train
Yep.

She's for the bailout bill, but when she was asked by Larry King, "Why is this bailout necessary?"

Suze: "Because your credit card companies will dry up your available credit, which will lower your FICA score, which will cause your premiums to go up."

Wait. WTF? (and she's fucking serious about it and obv knows what she is talking about).

But.... Are you f u c k i n g serious? So they have us by the balls then.

Granted. I do put emergencies on my credit card, but that's it. I never ever buy dinner with it, or frivolous things.

I'm sorry but this is the same as deadbeat home owners.

AMERICA!!!

It's time to knock this fucking shit OFF. NO BAILOUT! Suck it up and buy what you can afford.

Is it really that hard? Fucking drug addicts.
Love is more important to me than faith.
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  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    eekamouse wrote:

    Is it really that hard? Fucking drug addicts.
    No sir, fuck you.
  • Nevermind wrote:
    No sir, fuck you.

    Lol. I love this country.

    "It's my right to waste your money... /whine"

    *sigh*
    Love is more important to me than faith.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    eekamouse wrote:
    Fucking drug addicts.
    drug addicts have done more to enhance our lives than almost anyother group.

    All that great music you've enjoyed throught the years, all the music was created by artist, artists who were real fucking high on drugs.
  • Commy wrote:
    drug addicts have done more to enhance our lives than almost anyother group.

    All that great music you've enjoyed throught the years, all the music was created by artist, artists who were real fucking high on drugs.

    False. Most of them used drugs conservatively :)
    Love is more important to me than faith.
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,430
    Commy wrote:
    drug addicts have done more to enhance our lives than almost anyother group.

    All that great music you've enjoyed throught the years, all the music was created by artist, artists who were real fucking high on drugs.
    tool quote...right? what was the name of that guy tool quoted?
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • ajedigecko wrote:
    tool quote...right? what was the name of that guy tool quoted?


    Bill Hicks?


    And what do drug addicts have to do with this?


    Unless it was a metaphor for something else.
  • Bill Hicks?


    And what do drug addicts have to do with this?


    Unless it was a metaphor for something else.

    It was. I figured it was obvious. People are addicted to credit... like a drug.
    Love is more important to me than faith.
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,430
    eekamouse wrote:
    It was. I figured it was obvious. People are addicted to credit... like a drug.
    it was obvious.....credit world is the tenth planet...that is if you still count pluto.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    I dont know about you, but I'm addicted to love.
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,430
    sponger wrote:
    I dont know about you, but I'm addicted to love.
    damn.....who wrote that song?
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • ajedigecko wrote:
    damn.....who wrote that song?

    Robert Palmer
    Love is more important to me than faith.
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,430
    eekamouse wrote:
    Robert Palmer
    good call.....all i could up with is robert plant.

    besides i did not want to google it....takes all the fun out of life.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • yeah but she didn't mention that small businesses need credit for investing and capital expenditures which is important. If that dries up it will cause huge ripple effects throughout the economy.
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    yeah but she didn't mention that small businesses need credit for investing and capital expenditures which is important. If that dries up it will cause huge ripple effects throughout the economy.


    ...but those ripple effects are needed. It's known as a market correction.
  • sponger wrote:
    ...but those ripple effects are needed. It's known as a market correction.

    Exactly, just like value of my house will decline. I'm ok with that. I don't discriminate with tough love.
    Love is more important to me than faith.
  • lots of people believe that the current market volatility could/will result in a drying up of credit access across the board, not just in regards to individual consumer credit scores. banks stop loaning each other money, then it's harder for anyone to get loans for anything: buying a home, building a home, home improvements, small business startups, small business expansion, etc. it's not just your fica score.
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • The problem with the credit crisis is that there becomes a freeze on spending. Not many people can buy a car or make a major purchase without taking a loan. Credit becomes less available, so people do without. Companies, especially small ones, who have goods that aren't moving, can't borrow to make payroll. Massive layoffs start happening and unemployment starts rising. It becomes a vicious circle.

    The bailout plan is way less than perfect, but at least it would have loosened up credit to the market and stopped stocks from plummeting. Then people wouldn't have lost their pension and 401K plans along with getting screwed with a bailout plan that's going to happen anyway.
    "Where there is sacrifice there is someone collecting the sacrificial offerings."-- Ayn Rand

    "Some of my friends sit around every evening and they worry about the times ahead,
    But everybody else is overwhelmed by indifference and the promise of an early bed..."-- Elvis Costello
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    Then people wouldn't have lost their pension and 401K plans along with getting screwed with a bailout plan that's going to happen anyway.

    Percentage declines in the indexes numbered in the low single digits. People took hits, but nobody "lost" anything today.

    In fact, the fact that 1.2 trillion in losses added up to only a 7% decline should tell you that inflation is an apparent problem.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I agree. The only credit I have is house debt and I very comfortably have quite a bit of equity in it and also a fixed rate mortgage that represents only 10% of my take-home pay each month.

    I always save and pay in cash so if spending goes down, there will probably be plenty of price deals out there.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1 wrote:
    I agree. The only credit I have is house debt and I very comfortably have quite a bit of equity in it and also a fixed rate mortgage that represents only 10% of my take-home pay each month.

    I always save and pay in cash so if spending goes down, there will probably be plenty of price deals out there.

    One can hope :)
    Love is more important to me than faith.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    yeah but she didn't mention that small businesses need credit for investing and capital expenditures which is important. If that dries up it will cause huge ripple effects throughout the economy.

    There is any easier way to address that than this bail out. Instead of the bail out give a large sum of that $700 billion to the small business administration to use for loans for small and medium sized businesses. This way you can reward the companies that have performed well and are helping the economy without having to bail out those that screwed up.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan wrote:
    There is any easier way to address that than this bail out. Instead of the bail out give a large sum of that $700 billion to the small business administration to use for loans for small and medium sized businesses. This way you can reward the companies that have performed well and are helping the economy without having to bail out those that screwed up.

    That's what I don't get... It seems like Washington is saying that the only way to enable banks to lend money in "good" loans, is to reward them by covering them for all of the bad loans that they bought or issued.

    We are closing on a house next week, and talking to my mortgage broker, we have nothing to worry about, because we have good credit, and the house was appraised well. It's a responsible loan for a bank to make. Why would credit all of a sudden dry up for "good" loans. You would think that if anything, banks would be fighting over good loans to help make some money back to cover all of the shitty ones they made.
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    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
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    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • I put everything on credit and then pay it off at the end of the month. Its all about the miles baby. I'm almost up to a free trip to New Zealand! whoo hoo.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    That's what I don't get... It seems like Washington is saying that the only way to enable banks to lend money in "good" loans, is to reward them by covering them for all of the bad loans that they bought or issued.

    We are closing on a house next week, and talking to my mortgage broker, we have nothing to worry about, because we have good credit, and the house was appraised well. It's a responsible loan for a bank to make. Why would credit all of a sudden dry up for "good" loans. You would think that if anything, banks would be fighting over good loans to help make some money back to cover all of the shitty ones they made.

    Of course banks are still writing loans. They need the business so if you have a good sized down payment and a good credit score you will have no problem getting a mortgage. My father just closed on a loan to expand his business with no problem because he has been a customer of his bank for years and has a good credit history with them. The problem is that the government wants the banks to hand out more loans, mortgages, car loans, credit cards, because our economy is fueled by our ability to create debt. Without our ridiculous spending habits our economy will slow down and we will go into a recession. So instead of actually fixing the problem they want to just sweep the bad loans under a rug and return to business as usual.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Speakers wrote:
    I put everything on credit and then pay it off at the end of the month. Its all about the miles baby. I'm almost up to a free trip to New Zealand! whoo hoo.

    When I use my credit card that's what I do. I make sure that I have the cash for the purchase and then pay it off, in full, when the next statement arrives. I have two credits cards and both have a zero balance.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Speakers wrote:
    I put everything on credit and then pay it off at the end of the month. Its all about the miles baby. I'm almost up to a free trip to New Zealand! whoo hoo.

    I think they have debit cards that do the same thing. I'm pretty sure I can redeem rewards on mine.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1 wrote:
    I think they have debit cards that do the same thing. I'm pretty sure I can redeem rewards on mine.


    My debit card does the same thing, except with my bank I only get 25 debit card purchases a month before they start charging me per purchase. If I use my credit card, I actually get better rewards and I basically get unlimited transactions.
  • know1 wrote:
    I think they have debit cards that do the same thing. I'm pretty sure I can redeem rewards on mine.

    Plus it helps build my credit so when I actually need a real loan, I've got a good record.
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    Speakers wrote:
    I put everything on credit and then pay it off at the end of the month. Its all about the miles baby. I'm almost up to a free trip to New Zealand! whoo hoo.

    i flew to NZ on points too! ... also took my folks to europe!! ... for sure, if you can make your credit card work for you - do it for sure!
  • acutejamacutejam Posts: 1,433
    Suze Orman -- don't get me started, she was my financial advisor at Prudential back in the 80s... She's definitely about tough love though!

    So what I don't get is if the underlying problem is the bad mortgages, why are we proposing $700 Billion to go buy up ALL kinds of bad loans, credit card, car loans, biz loans, help out overseas banks, etc. The bailout just reeked of overkill to me, with no oversight. Along with the whole "privatized gains and socialized losses...."

    I've totally thought a major "correction" was coming for quite some time and was glad when it finally popped it's head up last Nov/Dec. I prefer my house to be made of bricks and steel, not straw, or wood ... or playing cards!

    It's gonna be bad, mayhaps real bad, but we'll be better off rebuilding on solid foundations.

    And MAN can we start seeing some PERP WALKS for some of these mortgage morons and bankers and "regulators" for fraud already!
    [sic] happens
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