Iranian President: Oil Prices Fake and Imposed

Number 18

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080617/ts_nm/iran_oil_ahmadinejad_dc

Do you buy what he says? Or do you think he is just spouting off against the United States?

I think it is a bit of both. I think there is an increased global demand for oil, but am not sure that demand can justify the increase in oil prices.

Cosmo

"Iran, the world's fourth-largest oil exporter, has repeatedly said the market is well-supplied with crude and blames rising prices on speculation, a weak U.S. currency and geopolitical factors.
"As you know the decrease in the dollar's value and the increase in energy prices are two sides of the same coin which are being introduced as factors behind the recent instability," Ahmadinejad said."
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I can't fucking believe this... i can't fucking believe what I'm going to say...
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The fucking asshole is right.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

He's right. This isn't the first time conflict in the middle east has caused high oil prices.

Wait until the stupid fuckers bomb Iran.

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

"Iran, the world's fourth-largest oil exporter, has repeatedly said the market is well-supplied with crude and blames rising prices on speculation, a weak U.S. currency and geopolitical factors.
"As you know the decrease in the dollar's value and the increase in energy prices are two sides of the same coin which are being introduced as factors behind the recent instability," Ahmadinejad said."
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I can't fucking believe this... i can't fucking believe what I'm going to say...
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The fucking asshole is right.

Even a broken clock is right two times a day ... But yes, go wash your mouth out with soap, young man ...

Cosmo

reborncareerist wrote:

Even a broken clock is right two times a day ... But yes, go wash your mouth out with soap, young man ...

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So... you know how much it pains me to say that, right?
I think I need to wash out my mouth with Pine Sol.

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

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So... you know how much it pains me to say that, right?
I think I need to wash out my mouth with Pine Sol.

Indeed, my friend. It was even painful for me to make the broken clock comment, and that has an insult embedded within it.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Why hate yourself for recognising the truth?

Ahmadinejad has valid reasons for hating western involvement, and playing politics, and calling bluffs through the roof and beyond.. 1980 wasn't that long ago. Many of those affected from that war are still alive and remember. But it's deeper than that.

rebornFixer

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Why hate yourself for recognising the truth?

Ahmadinejad has valid reasons for hating western involvement, and playing politics, and calling bluffs through the roof and beyond.. 1980 wasn't that long ago. Many of those affected from that war are still alive and remember. But it's deeper than that.

He does have some valid points to make, sure ... As does any world leader. He's still an ideologue who adds to the world's problems, rather than providing a more positive force. And I am choosing to use less inflammatory language here. Actually, he's a lot worse that this ...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

reborncareerist wrote:

He does have some valid points to make, sure ... As does any world leader. He's still an ideologue who adds to the world's problems, rather than providing a more positive force. And I am choosing to use less inflammatory language here. Actually, he's a lot worse that this ...

So he should stand down and concede to the demands on all fronts despite everything.

I hear ya.

If Iran had attacked the US at some point I would agree.

rebornFixer

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

So he should stand down and concede to the demands on all fronts despite everything.

I hear ya.

If Iran had attacked the US at some point I would agree.

No, but keeping his mouth shut would be a good start. Iran has a lot of its own problems, and this guy talks more about Israel than anything else. I think that the international community has a right to be concerned about nuclear technology in this guy's hands. Have you read up on his political and religious views? He makes Bush look like a weed-smoking whole-food eating atheist hippy.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

reborncareerist wrote:

No, but keeping his mouth shut would be a good start. Iran has a lot of its own problems, and this guy talks more about Israel than anything else. I think that the international community has a right to be concerned about nuclear technology in this guy's hands. Have you read up on his political and religious views? He makes Bush look like a weed-smoking whole-food eating atheist hippy.

He wouldn't be talking like this if the US wasn't making ongoing military threats, and wasn't occupying it's neighbor for the past 5 years.

Sure he's nuts, but not entirely stupid and he knows it. If the US or Israel attacks Iran, oil will probably hit $200+ a barrel essentially overnight, and that just collapses the entire neo-con agenda and US economy that much faster. Tough love approach perhaps. I guess the lesson is not to occupy, impose sanctions, and start wars with certain countries, but maybe offer them some modicum of respect for past grievances and mistakes.

Just maybe.

who's_pearljam?

We can partially blame Enron and Dark Markets and speculators rather than supply and demand.

An old loophole that Enron requested so that speculative markets could fly under public scrutiny without regulation.

For instance:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/05/30/oil.market.enron/


Or just google "Dark Market".

rebornFixer

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

He wouldn't be talking like this if the US wasn't making ongoing military threats, and wasn't occupying it's neighbor for the past 5 years.

Sure he's nuts, but not entirely stupid and he knows it. If the US or Israel attacks Iran, oil will probably hit $200+ a barrel essentially overnight, and that just collapses the entire neo-con agenda and US economy that much faster. Tough love approach perhaps. I guess the lesson is not to occupy, impose sanctions, and start wars with certain countries, but maybe offer them some modicum of respect for past grievances and mistakes.

Just maybe.

Well, according to this guy, and many others, the neo-con agenda is being collapsed not by Iran but by the oil companies themselves, no? The Middle Eastern nations have little to do with current prices.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

reborncareerist wrote:

Well, according to this guy, and many others, the neo-con agenda is being collapsed not by Iran but by the oil companies themselves, no? The Middle Eastern nations have little to do with current prices.

Yet every time conflict arises in the middle east, oil prices shoot into the stratosphere.

rebornFixer

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Yet every time conflict arises in the middle east, oil prices shoot into the stratosphere.

Ironic, considering that many believe Iraq was about oil.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

reborncareerist wrote:

Ironic, considering that many believe Iraq was about oil.

Rupert Murdoch kept spinning $20 a barrel oil on the Iraq war. I suppose nobody is holding him accountable at this point for being wrong seven times over.

Scott Ritter has a book out about this exactly, can't remember the name of it. Basically he explains the oil price middle east conflict thing. I saw a vid of him talking briefly about it a while back. I should probably take a look at it sometime.

Edit here's the book, and an interview. Not sure about the oil price thing, I do remember him talking about it. Can't remember where. I'm assuming it's covered in his book I might be wrong. In any event... Interesting interview:
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/10/16/scott_ritter_on_target_iran_the

Pacomc79

Cosmo wrote:

"Iran, the world's fourth-largest oil exporter, has repeatedly said the market is well-supplied with crude and blames rising prices on speculation, a weak U.S. currency and geopolitical factors.
"As you know the decrease in the dollar's value and the increase in energy prices are two sides of the same coin which are being introduced as factors behind the recent instability," Ahmadinejad said."
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I can't fucking believe this... i can't fucking believe what I'm going to say...
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The fucking asshole is right.

It's really funny but there's really nothing he said that's untrue. I can't believe I'm agreeing either. But he's accurate. They aren't "fake" but they are kind of imposed. IE it didn't need to come to this.

Open

reborncareerist wrote:

Ironic, considering that many believe Iraq was about oil.

So if Iraq had no oil, you really think we would have invaded? Come on...?!?!?!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

It's mostly about regime change. Imposing ones beliefs on others through death and destruction, until that nation sovereignty is thoroughly destroyed, and it's soul removed. What follows afterwards is a form of obedience.

Pacomc79

Open wrote:

So if Iraq had no oil, you really think we would have invaded? Come on...?!?!?!

convenience and a Vendetta maybe? I think honestly they made a few guesses based on inaccurate information and jumped on it. I think that's why Colin Powell quit shortly after he gave the speech to the UN and found out the information was wrong. The DOD and Rumsfeld did a really poor job of management and the administration rushed into it and jumped too quickly mostly because they wanted to.

Number 18

reborncareerist wrote:

Well, according to this guy, and many others, the neo-con agenda is being collapsed not by Iran but by the oil companies themselves, no? The Middle Eastern nations have little to do with current prices.

There is some truth to this. Oil is their livelihood. If they push the price too high there is more incentive for others to develop competing technologies. They want the price at a good balance so they are raking in the cash and keeping our appetite wet.