Response to Michael J. Fox Ad

dkst0426

NOCODE#1 wrote:

next time we'll tell anyone who's handicapped to park the wheel chair outside. we dont want to unfairly influence anyone.

putting the ouche in douchebag= dkst0426

He's not handicapped. He has a medical condition that has medication to control the symptoms, and he has plainly chosen to NOT use said medication when making public/political statements of record. As I said, at best that's pandering to the emotions of voters. He's the one who chose to put himself in the public eye. I have no problems with anyone using their celebrity status to create/increase awareness of issues or conditions, but when you do that, realize that you put yourself in the crosshairs.

So who's the douchebag now?

dkst0426

hippiemom wrote:

Shameless? Why? Parkinson's is a devastating disease. Drugs can only mask the symptoms, they do nothing to cure or lessen the progress of the disease. It seems to me that taking drugs to mask the symptoms would be the greater deception, making the disease look more benign than it is.

I guess it's easy to use that logic when you're trying to garner votes and support.

Pearl Jam and toast

dkst0426 wrote:

I guess it's easy to use that logic when you're trying to garner votes and support.

why would you want to cover up the disease you've been stricken with when trying to gain support to fix it?

And hippiemom's right, the meds don't fix a damn thing it just hides the shakes.

Pearl Jam and toast

hippiemom wrote:

I don't value Michael J. Fox's opinion any more highly than the opinion of any other semi-retired actor with extensive personal knowledge of a disease who chairs a foundation devoted to finding a cure for that disease.

match : hippiemom. You're on tonight.. don't forget "and is also a victim of the disease himself"

Hope&Anger

dkst0426 wrote:

He's not handicapped. He has a medical condition that has medication to control the symptoms, and he has plainly chosen to NOT use said medication when making public/political statements of record. . . .
So who's the douchebag now?

I say it's still you.

The medication actually GIVES him the tremors. Without the medication, he would be completely frozen.

Read this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102400691.html

which states in relevant part:
"Limbaugh's shock at Fox's appearance is a measure of the disease's devastation, advocates say. Contrary to the charge that Fox might not take his medicine to enhance his symptoms, the medicine produces some of the uncontrolled body movements."

So Limbaugh's head is up his ass, as is yours, I think.

decides2dream

Hope&Anger wrote:

I say it's still you.

The medication actually GIVES him the tremors. Without the medication, he would be completely frozen.

Read this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102400691.html

which states in relevant part:
"Limbaugh's shock at Fox's appearance is a measure of the disease's devastation, advocates say. Contrary to the charge that Fox might not take his medicine to enhance his symptoms, the medicine produces some of the uncontrolled body movements."

So Limbaugh's head is up his ass, as is yours, I think.

well stated.
anyway, it is HIS choice to use, or not use, his meds as he sees fit. if he were to choose not to use his meds to prove a point, it is his freewill to do so...and has nothing to do with 'acting'...and everything to do with the real reality that he has to face and live everyday.

Purple Hawk

decides2dream wrote:

well stated.
anyway, it is HIS choice to use, or not use, his meds as he sees fit. if he were to choose not to use his meds to prove a point, it is his freewill to do so...and has nothing to do with 'acting'...and everything to do with the real reality that he has to face and live everyday.

this post is the most irrelevent post i've ever seen. what does this have to do with anything? not a personal attack, sorry. but rush says the guy stopped taking his meds for effect. people are outraged. then it comes out, that it's probably the case that rush was right. so now it's like..ok, so that's his right. Rush never said the guy couldn't do what he did, he just pointed out the lies in what fox asserted.

Purple Hawk

Hope&Anger wrote:

I say it's still you.

The medication actually GIVES him the tremors. Without the medication, he would be completely frozen.

Read this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102400691.html

which states in relevant part:
"Limbaugh's shock at Fox's appearance is a measure of the disease's devastation, advocates say. Contrary to the charge that Fox might not take his medicine to enhance his symptoms, the medicine produces some of the uncontrolled body movements."

So Limbaugh's head is up his ass, as is yours, I think.

the problem is...is that you, and most people in the media, etc...focus on this one quote from rush. you like to focus on emotional crap like this, instead of substantive issues, particularly what fox was actually saying was complete crap, and had his head up his ass. he implied republicans are against stem cell research, which is not true. he implied that a vote for a republican will kill people with parkinsans. this is the real world, only a minority live in the great bubble (see the harold ford thread)

Abookamongstthemany

Purple Hawk wrote:

this post is the most irrelevent post i've ever seen. what does this have to do with anything? not a personal attack, sorry. but rush says the guy stopped taking his meds for effect. people are outraged. then it comes out, that it's probably the case that rush was right. so now it's like..ok, so that's his right. Rush never said the guy couldn't do what he did, he just pointed out the lies in what fox asserted.

I guess Rush was making some of those idiotic assertions and that's where the problem lies.

Hope&Anger

Purple Hawk wrote:

this post is the most irrelevent post i've ever seen. what does this have to do with anything? not a personal attack, sorry. but rush says the guy stopped taking his meds for effect. people are outraged. then it comes out, that it's probably the case that rush was right. so now it's like..ok, so that's his right. Rush never said the guy couldn't do what he did, he just pointed out the lies in what fox asserted.

I am going to go literally crazy, but I'll repeat myself . . . for the third time.

He was taking his drugs. It's the drugs that are giving him the tremors. If he didn't take the drugs, he would be frozen solid.

I mean, has anyone seen Awakenings? People with Parkinson's shake in the beginning stages, but as the disease advances, they become immobilized.

Does anyone actually care about the facts? Or should we just keep repeating Limbaugh's preposterous and ignorant claims?

Geez . . .

Hope&Anger

Purple Hawk wrote:

the problem is...is that you, and most people in the media, etc...focus on this one quote from rush. you like to focus on emotional crap like this, instead of substantive issues, particularly what fox was actually saying was complete crap, and had his head up his ass. he implied republicans are against stem cell research, which is not true. he implied that a vote for a republican will kill people with parkinsans. this is the real world, only a minority live in the great bubble (see the harold ford thread)

Gee, this is funny, because I just watched Michael J. Fox in a commercial in 2004 for Arlen Specter, who is . . . ummm, let's see . . . a REPUBLICAN!!!

The current commercial that has your panties in a wad is for a particular Democrat, McCaskill, against a particular Republican, Talent, who is in fact against stem cell research.

And Fox's commercial says nothing like Republicans want to kill Parkinson's patients. It says that McCaskill supports stem cell research and that Talent wanted to criminalize embryonic stem cell research -- all of which is true. But hey, why should you bother yourself with something so tedious as the facts and people's legislative records and actually watching the commercial.

Purple Hawk

Hope&Anger wrote:

Gee, this is funny, because I just watched Michael J. Fox in a commercial in 2004 for Arlen Specter, who is . . . ummm, let's see . . . a REPUBLICAN!!!

The current commercial that has your panties in a wad is for a particular Democrat, McCaskill, against a particular Republican, Talent, who is in fact against stem cell research.

And Fox's commercial says nothing like Republicans want to kill Parkinson's patients. It says that McCaskill supports stem cell research and that Talent wanted to criminalize embryonic stem cell research -- all of which is true. But hey, why should you bother yourself with something so tedious as the facts and people's legislative records and actually watching the commercial.

if the ad said what you said it did, i don't think anyone would have a problem...but please, highlight the point where fox says the world embryonic, and that he opposes stem cell research?

dkst0426

Ah yes, call me a douchebag and assume my head is doing something physically impossible. How original, and such a credible argument as well.

Hope&Anger

dkst0426 wrote:

Ah yes, call me a douchebag and assume my head is doing something physically impossible. How original, and such a credible argument as well.

How clever of you to skip all over the substantive arguments. But please, just nurse your hurt feelings.

Really, you can dish it out but can't take it.

Purple Hawk

Hope&Anger wrote:

How clever of you to skip all over the substantive arguments. But please, just nurse your hurt feelings.

Really, you can dish it out but can't take it.

bizzaro world alert. actually, you haven't addressed anything of substance.

Hope&Anger

Okay, apart from the information about Fox's medications and the effect that it has on his body, and apart from my pointing out that Fox has made commercials on behalf of both Republicans and Democrats -- neither of which is substantive in your own corner of bizarro world, how about some substatnive information about (a) the ad and (b) Senator Talent?

Purple Hawk wrote:

if the ad said what you said it did, i don't think anyone would have a problem...but please, highlight the point where fox says the world embryonic, and that he opposes stem cell research?

Seriously, I don't know what you mean. I don't know if you actually want to take time out from your very busy schedule of posting in threads on topics you know nothing about, but here's Fox's commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9WB_PXjTBo

In it, he says that McCaskill supports the research for cures. He points out that Senator Talent "opposes extending stem cell research. Senator Talent even wanted to criminalize the science that gives us a chance for hope."

He's referring to the fact that Talent recently sponsored an anti-cloning bill that was so broad, it included a form of embryonic stem cell research on developmentally disabled embryos. When things looked bad for him politically, though, he removed his name as co-sponsor. Because he's a coward.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11410626/site/newsweek/

dkst0426

Hope&Anger wrote:

How clever of you to skip all over the substantive arguments. But please, just nurse your hurt feelings.

Really, you can dish it out but can't take it.

Like I said--when it degenerates to namecalling, the "substance" really loses its flavor.

WindNoSail

Adult stem cells are being used in medicine, embryonic cells are not because they are far more limited in versatility, and there are rejection issues. MJF didn't take his meds for the commercial, that is a bit twisted. How come we can't have doctors discussing these issues instead of suffering entertainers.

In defense of Rush, he is correct in being suspicious since the statements in the ads are typically untrue about the opponet. You can support the research that is ongoing without supporting the creation of human clones for future research....but the ads leave you to believe that big bad republicans are afraid of the research, wo clarifying the issue is the production of new human embryos.

Original point is that your own stem cells are far superior anyway, and if you ever need stem cells you will likely benefit from your own, not an embryos.

I think this is just a way for Dems to create another divide in our country, I say fuck em. Even if I didn't want to vote Republican, the dems make it hard not too.

Tarrou

Oo you actually know anything about this disease? It is the medication that causes the shakes.

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

why would you want to cover up the disease you've been stricken with when trying to gain support to fix it?

And hippiemom's right, the meds don't fix a damn thing it just hides the shakes.

enharmonic

I hope Rush gets Parkinsons so someone can claim that he's faking for ratings...just like he faked being deaf...which of course I thought would have been the greatest blessing for him of all. How sweet it would be to be Rush "Hillbilly Heroin" Limbaugh, and not have to hear the sound of your own voice.