Scandalous Biased Media reporting in Middle East.

Commy

bootlegger10 wrote:

Yes, I am.

The same could be said of Hezbollah, or any terrorist group. They are reactionary by nature...they exist because of a situation many people are not willing to accept.

Commy

Commy wrote:

The same could be said of Hezbollah, or any terrorist group. They are reactionary by nature...they exist because of a situation many people are not willing to accept.

Although in this case Israel has instigated the conflict...as is well know if you don't watch tv all that often but actually get information from legitimate sources.

Israel abducted a palestinian doctor and a few others-to this day no one knows where they are. Hezbollah then captured Israeli soldiers-to make an exchangel, and now we have a full scale war. Apparently Israel are the only ones allowed to take prisoners-and they can take military or civilian.

Ahnimus

al-Manar is a Lebonese TV station that broadcasts internationally. However Israel identified it as a branch of Hizbollah and it was one of their first targets. So obviously their website http://www.almanar.com.lb/ is down and we can't hear their story.

Abookamongstthemany

Commy wrote:

Although in this case Israel has instigated the conflict...as is well know if you don't watch tv all that often but actually get information from legitimate sources.

Israel abducted a palestinian doctor and a few others-to this day no one knows where they are. Hezbollah then captured Israeli soldiers-to make an exchangel, and now we have a full scale war. Apparently Israel are the only ones allowed to take prisoners-and they can take military or civilian.

Sadly, many people here will excuse Israel even if they know they did start this. It doesn't matter how fierce and unjustified their strikes are, somehow Israel will always be the good guy fighting for existance and the Arabs are the pesky, bad guys who just won't give up easily enough for them. It's brainwashed mentality...hate one group, provide unwaivering support for the other. I don't support either groups but I do call to attention the amount of unjustified violence inflicted on an almost helpless group of people. Everyone treats them like they are scum and turn to look the other way while they are massacred. It is this very reason why Hamas and Hezbollah exist in the first place...the Arabs have no where else to turn for protection and like anyone else...they don't want to die.

hailhailkc

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Sadly, many people here will excuse Israel even if they know they did start this. It doesn't matter how fierce and unjustified their strikes are, somehow Israel will always be the good guy fighting for existance and the Arabs are the pesky, bad guys who just won't give up easily enough for them. It's brainwashed mentality...hate one group, provide unwaivering support for the other. I don't support either groups but I do call to attention the amount of unjustified violence inflicted on an almost helpless group of people. Everyone treats them like they are scum and turn to look the other way while they are massacred. It is this very reason why Hamas and Hezbollah exist in the first place...the Arabs have no where else to turn for protection and like anyone else...they don't want to die.

Quite frankly, I don't care who started it…and for anyone to act like they do know who started it, I think, is quite absurd. This is hardly the type of relationship where you can point a finger at either side for just one act. Quite a multitude of things have led up to this, and they always have in these Middle East conflicts. Hezbollah and Hamas are just lucky that Israel didn't choose to end this bullshit quite a long time ago, because as we all know, they have the resources and capability to do so if they choose.

How can you even act like Israel ISN'T fighting for it's existence when people like the leader of Iran come right out and SAY that they want Israel wiped off the map!?!? And you know groups like Hamas and Hezbollah are funded by Iran, and that the Lebonese government doesn't do anything to stop them, yet you act like Israel is the bad guy on the block just beating up on whomever they choose. I mean, let's forget about Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Iran, Iraq and Lebanon all working against Israel over the years, right? And the way the U.N., France, Russia and China talk…I'm wondering who really has an unjustified amount of violence and intolerance inflicted upon them?!

If it's all about unjustified violence, where was your support of the U.S. going into Iraq to overthrow Saddam and his cronies? What about the unjustified violence inflicted on those people for the past two decades? You act like the Lebonese need Hamas and Hezbollah in order to keep from getting killed, starved and slaughtered…but if the U.S. does the same for some other country, it's considered high treason, rape, murder, plunder and pillage.

Ahnimus

Ahnimus wrote:

al-Manar is a Lebonese TV station that broadcasts internationally. However Israel identified it as a branch of Hizbollah and it was one of their first targets. So obviously their website http://www.almanar.com.lb/ is down and we can't hear their story.

I just spoke with a Lebonese person that confirmed Al-Manar is an arm of the Hezbollah. He suggested to me Al-Jazeera above all and http://www.lbcgroup.tv

Abookamongstthemany

hailhailkc wrote:

Quite frankly, I don't care who started it…and for anyone to act like they do know who started it, I think, is quite absurd. This is hardly the type of relationship where you can point a finger at either side for just one act. Quite a multitude of things have led up to this, and they always have in these Middle East conflicts. Hezbollah and Hamas are just lucky that Israel didn't choose to end this bullshit quite a long time ago, because as we all know, they have the resources and capability to do so if they choose.

How can you even act like Israel ISN'T fighting for it's existence when people like the leader of Iran come right out and SAY that they want Israel wiped off the map!?!? And you know groups like Hamas and Hezbollah are funded by Iran, and that the Lebonese government doesn't do anything to stop them, yet you act like Israel is the bad guy on the block just beating up on whomever they choose. I mean, let's forget about Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Iran, Iraq and Lebanon all working against Israel over the years, right? And the way the U.N., France, Russia and China talk…I'm wondering who really has an unjustified amount of violence and intolerance inflicted upon them?!

If it's all about unjustified violence, where was your support of the U.S. going into Iraq to overthrow Saddam and his cronies? What about the unjustified violence inflicted on those people for the past two decades? You act like the Lebonese need Hamas and Hezbollah in order to keep from getting killed, starved and slaughtered…but if the U.S. does the same for some other country, it's considered high treason, rape, murder, plunder and pillage.

The US claimed to invade Iraq over WMDs. They never have cared about any countries human rights violations, those are the ones we usually fund.

Go ahead and admit you just want the arabs to roll over and play dead to make for MORE Israeli expansion. Yes, I stand by my statement the arabs have waaay more terror inflicted upon them. It doesn't matter how many of their neighbors or other countries support them...what matters is who has the power and who is using it unjustly.

lovebuzz

bootlegger10 wrote:

Israel seems to act only when provoked, as it should be. I don't think Israel would want to destroy Iran if Iran was a peaceful country, but Iran would want to destroy Israel regardless of whether or not Israel was a peaceful nation.

Aren't you completely bypassing the fact that, in forming Israel, the existing population of Muslims in the area were essentially rounded up and forced out of what they had felt was their home? Is this not essentially the equivalent of concentration camps? Gaza, the Golan Heights, the West Bank... sounds a lot like US Indian Reservations if you ask me. Why do you think the Muslim community initiates attacks on Israel to begin with? They don't simply attack Israel because they don't like dradels or the Star of David - they do it because they feel they have no other option after being forced out of their homelands and rounded up into ever shrinking "territories".

To me, the simple fact is this - Hezbollah and Hamas attack Israelites, NOT Jews. Israelites are not just some folks that decided to settle in a new area and learn to live there - they are a group as guilty of rounding up non-compliant people (i.e. different religion) and forcing them into concentration camps. If Muslims hated Jews simply because they are Jewish, you'd see other Jewish sections of the world being "terrorized" by Hezbollah & Hamas... but this isn't the case, is it? Who did the provoking, the Jews who forced the Muslims out, or the Muslims who want to regain what they feel is theirs?

Do I agree with the killing of innocent civilians? Nope. Do I think terrorism is a good thing? Nope. Do I think the Israels are guilt-free and are being provoked by Hezbollah and the Palestinians? Hell no.

hailhailkc

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

The US claimed to invade Iraq over WMDs. They never have cared about any countries human rights violations, those are the ones we usually fund.

Yes, we went in because of WMD…WMD that Saddam had used in the past to kill his own people, nonetheless. WMD that could have easily been sold on the black market to other organizations who may have wanted to use them in a violent, unjustified way. WMD that could have been launched against Israel, unjustly and in a provoking manner, much as the scud missles were launched at Tel Aviv, unproked, in the first Gulf War.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Go ahead and admit you just want the arabs to roll over and play dead to make for MORE Israeli expansion. Yes, I stand by my statement the arabs have waaay more terror inflicted upon them. It doesn't matter how many of their neighbors or other countries support them...what matters is who has the power and who is using it unjustly.

Go ahead and admit that you actually support the actions of Hamas and Hezbollah because you favor and pity them as an underdog who are being picked on by the "imperialistic terrorists" known as the U.S. and Israel who suppossedly do nothing but run roughshod over little helpless countries with their giant military industrial complex fueled by the tax dollars of elitist white men who crave power and sainthood via a corporate controlled capitalist system.

I can play that game too.

I've never said that I want expansion for Israel. Never. All I ever talk about is how these other countries want to wipe them off the map, and that they have the right to defend themselves when provoked. It DOES matter how those other countries support and fund them, because those other countries, like China, Russia, Iran, etc. just so happen to have plenty of power, money and influence in world affairs. Yet, somehow, you again conveniently ignore their influence and meddling in all of this, and only focus on what your perceive to be the ills of the United States and Israel. Nevermind the human rights violations funded by Iran, or Syria, or Egypt, or Russia, or China…afterall…what does it matter…you live here in the U.S, right?

Abookamongstthemany

hailhailkc wrote:

Yes, we went in because of WMD…WMD that Saddam had used in the past to kill his own people, nonetheless. WMD that could have easily been sold on the black market to other organizations who may have wanted to use them in a violent, unjustified way. WMD that could have been launched against Israel, unjustly and in a provoking manner, much as the scud missles were launched at Tel Aviv, unproked, in the first Gulf War.

perhaps it would be a good idea not to sell them to these kind of guys in the first place. oh, that's right...it's only a concern of the US when it's convenient for them. US of A!! The great human rights protector! Riiiight.

hailhailkc wrote:

Go ahead and admit that you actually support the actions of Hamas and Hezbollah because you favor and pity them as an underdog who are being picked on by the "imperialistic terrorists" known as the U.S. and Israel who suppossedly do nothing but run roughshod over little helpless countries with their giant military industrial complex fueled by the tax dollars of elitist white men who crave power and sainthood via a corporate controlled capitalist system.

I can play that game too.

I pity the Arab people and support their right to survive and live in peace.

hailhailkc wrote:

I've never said that I want expansion for Israel. Never. All I ever talk about is how these other countries want to wipe them off the map, and that they have the right to defend themselves when provoked. It DOES matter how those other countries support and fund them, because those other countries, like China, Russia, Iran, etc. just so happen to have plenty of power, money and influence in world affairs. Yet, somehow, you again conveniently ignore their influence and meddling in all of this, and only focus on what your perceive to be the ills of the United States and Israel. Nevermind the human rights violations funded by Iran, or Syria, or Egypt, or Russia, or China…afterall…what does it matter…you live here in the U.S, right?

The problem is they keep expanding and that's provoking a defense. You never answer how it would feel if it were your home being bulldozed over. Israel has no right to the land they continuously take. What do you suggest they do? I imagine you would defend your home.

So the arabs deserve no allies? Should the whole world take the stance of violence and over aggression towards them? And just look at the huge army and arsenal China and Russia have provided them with.