Why Democrats Don't Count - Lessons from the Un-Gore of Mexico

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Why Democrats Don't Count


Lessons from the Un-Gore of Mexico
July 14, 2006
By Greg Palast

[Watch "Florida con Salsa," Palast's 15-minute investigative report from Mexico City for Democracy Now!]

The Exit polls said he won, but the "official" tally took his victory away. His supporters found they were scrubbed off voter rolls. Violence and intimidation kept even more of his voters away from the polls. Hundreds of thousands of ballots supposedly showed no choice for president -- like ballots with hanging chads.

And the officials in charge of this suspect election refused to re-count those votes in public. Everyone knew full well a fair count would certainly change the outcome.

You've heard this story before: Gore 2000. Kerry 2004.

But Lopez Obrador 2006 is made out of very different stuff than the scarecrow candidates who, oddly, call themselves "Democrats."

For six years now, I've had this crazy fantasy in my head. In it, an election is stolen and the guy who's declared the loser stands up in front of the White House and says three magic words: "Count the votes."

This past Saturday, my dream came true. Unfortunately, it was in Spanish -- but I'll take what I can get. There was Andreas Manuel Lopez Obrador, presidential challenger, standing in the "Zocalo" -- the square in front of Mexico's White House, telling the ruling clique inside, "Count the votes!"

Most important, his simple demand was echoed by half a million pissed-off, activated voters chanting with him, "Vota por vota!" -- vote by vote.

And you know what? I think they are going to have to listen. I suspect that the rulers of Mexico, a vicious, puffed-up, arrogant elite, may well have to count those votes. But, for that to happen, someone had to ask them to do it -- in no uncertain terms.

Traveling the USA, I'm asked again and again 'Why don't Democrats stand up when their elections are stolen?'

The answer: for the same reason jellyfish don't stand up... they're invertebrates.

I'm beginning to find that answer a bit too glib (though darn funny). Because it's not about electoral cojones; it's about a devotion to democracy deep in the bone. Yet weirdly, candidates that call themselves "Democrats" seem kind of, well, indifferent to democracy.

Why? Elections are the radical tool of the working class -- the great leveler of the powerless against the too-powerful. But the candidates themselves, both Republican and Democrat, tend to come from the privileged and pampered class. Votes are just the surfboards on which their ambitions ride.

Right now in Mexico's capitol, nearly a million ballots sit in tied bundles uncounted. That's four times the "official" margin of victory of the ruling party over Lopez Obrador. Supposedly, they're "votos nulos" -- null votes, unreadable. But, not surprisingly, when a few packets were opened, the majority of these supposedly unreadable votes were Lopez Obrador's.

If you think that's a Mexican game, think again. Because that's exactly what happened in Florida and Ohio.

In Florida, 179,855 ballots supposedly showed no vote for President. A closer look by the US Civil Rights Commission statisticians showed that 54% of those Florida "votos nulos" were cast by African-Americans. Did Black folk forget to vote for President, couldn't make up their minds or, as one TV network implied, were too dumb to figure out the ballot? Not at all. Machines can't count some ballots. But people can. For example, several voters wrote in, "Al Gore," which the machines rejected as his name was already printed on the ballot. The write-in could fool a machine but a human has no problem figuring out that voter's intent.

The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago reviewed all 179,855 "uncountable" votes and found the majority attempted to choose Gore. And they would have been counted -- but Florida's Secretary of State, Katherine Harris, ordered a halt.

So Bush was elected not by counting the votes but by preventing their count. And he was reelected the same way in 2004 when a quarter million votes were nullified in Ohio.

But why fixate on Florida and Ohio? Here's a nasty little fact about voting in the Land of the Free not reported in your newspapers: 3,600,380 ballots were cast in the November 2004 presidential election that were never counted. In 2000, the uncounted ballots totaled just under two million.

And where were the Democrats? In 2004, behind the huge jump in uncounted votes was a mass challenge campaign aimed at poor, Black and Hispanic voters by the Republican Party -- pushing these voters, mostly Democrats, to "provisional ballots." They could have been counted, if someone had fought for it. Hundreds of lawyers were on stand-by but the head of the biggest legal team told me in confidence -- and in frustration -- that the Kerry campaign told them to stand down.

Recently, Al Gore was asked if the election of 2000 was stolen. "There may come a time when I speak on that, but it's not now," said the beta dog. (I suspect that if Al Gore were found bleeding in an alley, he'd answer the question, Who shot you? with "There may come a time when I speak on that...").

Lopez Obrador is of a different breed. At the rally last Saturday in Mexico City, he played video and audio tapes of the evidence of fraud on a screen eighty feet tall. Imagine if Gore had projected the "scrub sheets" of purged Black voters on a ten-story-high screen in front of the White House.

Lopez Obrador put political force behind his legal demands by calling on voters from every state in Mexico to march to the capital. Two million are expected to arrive this Sunday. The result: the word among the political classes is that the election may be annulled. Even the conservative Financial Times has warned Mexico's elite not to "fool itself" by ignoring the demand for a full vote count.

North-of-the-Border Democrats just don't get it. The Republican Party is pushing "provisional" ballots, pushing voter ID requirements, compiling secret challenge lists, scrubbing voter registries and selling us vote-nullifying ballot boxes: they get it completely. The GOP knows the key to their electoral domination is not in winning over their opponents' votes, but in not counting them.

The un-Gore of Mexico City has a lesson for the Blue-party gringos. Either the Democrats demand that all votes count, or the Democrats will count for nothing.
A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects
are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider
god-fearing and pious: Aristotle

Viva Zapatista!
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  • danmacdanmac Posts: 387
    Roll up roll up you Republican apologists, you scorners of truth and the desire to maintain the freedoms upon which the USA was founded.

    I await your screams for FACT ! of PALAST IS A NUT ! FUCK OFF LIMEY !

    And, like a bullet, I will laugh, when it misses me.

    I'm only the messenger. Only trying to help....
    A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects
    are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider
    god-fearing and pious: Aristotle

    Viva Zapatista!
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    ok, I'm sorry, if you're trying to combat voter fraud how could you be against an ID requirement?


    Wouldn't you want to ensure the person voting is A) A legal voter voting in the proper region and had not voted already and B) who they say they are? Does that not benifit both parties?
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    i think the lack of fight from the democrats is more reflective of the populace than it is the leaders ...
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    polaris wrote:
    i think the lack of fight from the democrats is more reflective of the populace than it is the leaders ...


    I'd say the lack of true quality party leadership from people who truely desire the betterment of the country over thier own personal goals might be more reflective of the current state of the country. We'd rather argue about semantics, than try and move in a good direction for everyone.
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  • caifan82caifan82 Mexico City Posts: 321
    Hi!

    I just read the article, and it's a few errors and I thought of some things to add.
    danmac wrote:
    The Exit polls said he won, but the "official" tally took his victory away. His supporters found they were scrubbed off voter rolls. Violence and intimidation kept even more of his voters away from the polls. Hundreds of thousands of ballots supposedly showed no choice for president -- like ballots with hanging chads.
    Ok, this is wrong right here. There were many exit polls conducted, and all of them showed a technical tie. You know, in some Calderon showed with an advantage between 0.5% to 2% in others Lopez Obrador sowed the same advantage. So this is a technical tie. No one has taken Lopez Obrador's victory. No one has officially won yet. The TEPJF has yet to rule a winner and is expected to make, yet again, a recount of votes. After that, it will declare a winner.
    danmac wrote:
    This past Saturday, my dream came true. Unfortunately, it was in Spanish -- but I'll take what I can get. There was Andreas Manuel Lopez Obrador, presidential challenger, standing in the "Zocalo" -- the square in front of Mexico's White House, telling the ruling clique inside, "Count the votes!"

    His name is Andres, not Andreas. And actually the Zocalo isn't in front of Mexico's "white house". It's in front of Mexico city's "Mayor house" (in Spanish it's the alcaldia). Mexico's "white house" is called "Los Pinos" and is located in Chapultepec.
    danmac wrote:
    Most important, his simple demand was echoed by half a million pissed-off, activated voters chanting with him, "Vota por vota!" -- vote by vote.
    Actually that would be "Voto por voto!".
    danmac wrote:
    And you know what? I think they are going to have to listen. I suspect that the rulers of Mexico, a vicious, puffed-up, arrogant elite, may well have to count those votes. But, for that to happen, someone had to ask them to do it -- in no uncertain terms.
    It does seem they will listen, the TEPJF will recount the votes one more time in the next weeks.
    danmac wrote:
    Right now in Mexico's capitol, nearly a million ballots sit in tied bundles uncounted. That's four times the "official" margin of victory of the ruling party over Lopez Obrador. Supposedly, they're "votos nulos" -- null votes, unreadable. But, not surprisingly, when a few packets were opened, the majority of these supposedly unreadable votes were Lopez Obrador's.
    Nope, they were counted in the second preliminary count. Yes, the majority of these "unreadable votes" were for Lopez Obrador, but he still lost the second recount (by a less votes though).
    danmac wrote:
    Lopez Obrador is of a different breed. At the rally last Saturday in Mexico City, he played video and audio tapes of the evidence of fraud on a screen eighty feet tall. Imagine if Gore had projected the "scrub sheets" of purged Black voters on a ten-story-high screen in front of the White House.

    The day of the presidential elections, there were 3 boxes for votes: one for president, one for senator and one for congressman. Some people, by mistake might have put their votes for president in the senator's box, etc... it was entirely possible, and I don't doubt that happened to many people. The video he played was of an IFE (the institute that organizes elections) employee putting votes in the right boxes when counting them. It has been discarded.
    danmac wrote:
    Lopez Obrador put political force behind his legal demands by calling on voters from every state in Mexico to march to the capital. Two million are expected to arrive this Sunday. The result: the word among the political classes is that the election may be annulled. Even the conservative Financial Times has warned Mexico's elite not to "fool itself" by ignoring the demand for a full vote count.
    I actually voted for Lopez Obrador. But the last few days after the election have been very dissapointing to me. Lopez Obrador has lost the 2 preliminary counts. The TEPJF will rule a winner after it has counted the votes a 3rd time in the next weeks, and yet Lopez Obrador summons these masses of people (this sunday they were 200,000... not 500,000 or 2 million) to march all over the city (and screw car transit for all of us) to protest over a "fraud". The "proofs" he has presented have been declared void.
    In every voting stand all over the country there were representatives from every political party. They had to sign of conformity for the votes of said stand to be counted and certified as legal. And, guess what? All the representatives of Lopez Obrador's party all signed! And yet he still calls the election a fraud.

    WE might have to wait for the final vote count, but as of now Lopez Obrador is being a sore loser and a punk little bitch. It's cool he requests a vote per vote recount, but to call the elections (that were declared by international viewers has extremely clean) a fraud and screw us who live here with his marches, kinda sucks.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    I'd say the lack of true quality party leadership from people who truely desire the betterment of the country over thier own personal goals might be more reflective of the current state of the country. We'd rather argue about semantics, than try and move in a good direction for everyone.

    well ... that's a separate thing altogether ... we're talking about voting fraud and the lack of action to address it by those who were frauded ...
  • Señor BoSeñor Bo Posts: 68
    The writer is just trying to accomodate the facts so they fit with his agenda. Most of what he says happened in Mexico DID NOT happen. Read caifan's post, it's pretty much BS. There was no fraud, Lopez Obrador is just manipulating whatever facts he can get and make it look like there was one. Calderon won, plain and simple, whether anyone likes it or not.
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    cool to hear from you guys that are down there. Thanks.

    Sounds like it's mostly just politics as usual. It has to be frustrating to lose an election that close. Hopefully the new presidente will do more to bring jobs and prosperity to Mexico more than the old president.
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