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DCGARDENDCGARDEN Posts: 515
edited September 2006 in A Moving Train
What's everyone's take on Powell?

Do you think he'll run for office again? President? Whatever?

He's certainly going to regret going to the UN with allegations on Iraqi WMD -
anyone running against him for anything will certainly be bringing that up

But at the same time, he's tried to distance himself from Bush & Co, and more importantly, I believe in my heart, that just about everyone on both sides of the aisle respect this man

I think he should get back in the game at some point, because he was if nothing else, a very clear and intelligent thinker


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    MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,673
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    What's everyone's take on Powell?

    Do you think he'll run for office again? President? Whatever?

    He's certainly going to regret going to the UN with allegations on Iraqi WMD -
    anyone running against him for anything will certainly be bringing that up

    But at the same time, he's tried to distance himself from Bush & Co, and more importantly, I believe in my heart, that just about everyone on both sides of the aisle respect this man

    I think he should get back in the game at some point, because he was if nothing else, a very clear and intelligent thinker


    Thanks

    You can't help kill thousands of people or help start a war then later try and distance yourself from it.

    what he did/caused should haunt him until the day he dies.
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    enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,926
    A once brillinat man who became an Uncle Tom for Bush.
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    DCGARDENDCGARDEN Posts: 515
    enharmonic wrote:
    A once brillinat man who became an Uncle Tom for Bush.


    He may have become something for/with Bush & Co. , but please explain the
    Uncle Tom comment
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,161
    when bush was elected/appointed in 2000 i did not have such a bad taste in my mouth because i thought that powell was the only decent person in the cabinet and that he would try to not screw things up. that said, he lost my respect when he shilled for the march to war at the UN. i think he fell on his sword instead of standing up to rumsfeld and cheney. i expected that from bush, cheney, rummy, ashcroft et al, but not from powell.

    if you back something that you know is wrong, or betray your gut feelings then you are an uncle tom, and it is evident that this is exactly what powell did. i admire what he has done lately with standing up to bush on treatment of detainees, but it is too late for him. he is unelectable based on his UN performance. that is his legacy, a good man gone to bat for the wrong cause, and for what?? i hope he pays for his charade for eternity. may this country and the muslim world forgive him, and may god have mercy on his soul.

    DCGARDEN wrote:
    He may have become something for/with Bush & Co. , but please explain the
    Uncle Tom comment
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    Larry ZisstansLarry Zisstans Posts: 167
    another dangling puppet, but probably a really nice guy, i would think.
    you know, other than that whole 'your actions in office(for the most part) sucked ass' thing he's got against him.

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    rarghrargh-brownstarrarghrargh-brownstar Posts: 1,272
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    He may have become something for/with Bush & Co. , but please explain the
    Uncle Tom comment
    I dont get how this term gets thrown around. It's a bit degrading to say the least. Please explain what you meant.
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    enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,926
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    He may have become something for/with Bush & Co. , but please explain the
    Uncle Tom comment

    Read a book every once in a while, would ya? :p

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    DCGARDENDCGARDEN Posts: 515
    enharmonic wrote:
    Read a book every once in a while, would ya? :p

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom

    I question the use of this term ,not because I don't understand it's meaning, but more because I thought it to be a term specifically applied in Racial circumstance. Could be I was wrong, but telling me to " Read a book " is not exactly what I was looking for as an explanation

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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    Did a search and found a really, really, really old thread to post this in. :)

    Cute...just cute.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    DCGARDEN said:

    enharmonic" said:
    Read a book every once in a while, would ya? :p

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom
    I question the use of this term ,not because I don't understand it's meaning, but more because I thought it to be a term specifically applied in Racial circumstance. Could be I was wrong, but telling me to " Read a book " is not exactly what I was looking for as an explanation

    No matter

    Apparently neither of you has read Uncle Tom's Cabin. The epithet "Uncle Tom" was derived from later white stage productions of the novel, in which, they satirize Uncle Tom and make him into an oafish slavery apologist. Even wikipedia knows this.
    Colin Powell is an African American who fights and promotes imperialist wars against Non-Caucasians for extremely wealthy Caucasian men who often fail to hold their overt racism in check. He has become very wealthy and influential from hard work and obedient servitude, while many African Americans who work equally hard and serve just as obediently are so much cannon fodder. Clearly, this fits the contemporary "house slave", "uncle tom" definition, how could that possibly have needed explained?
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    MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    War criminal
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,722
    edited October 2021
    Moonpig said:
    War criminal

    Competing with Trump for "Boldest Insult of a Recently Deceased Major American Figure"? 
    Get in line. 
    And while you're at it, maybe learn a little discretion in timing.  You only make yourself look bad here.
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,019
    edited October 2021
    brianlux said:
    Moonpig said:
    War criminal

    Competing with Trump for "Boldest Insult of a Recently Deceased Major American Figure"? 
    Get in line. 
    And while you're at it, maybe learn a little discretion in timing.  You only make yourself look bad here.
    A war criminal is still a war criminal. These people could have had some discretion in timing and not bombed children.

    He should have died a "Major American Figure" from old age in a prison cell.
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Moonpig said:
    War criminal
    You're not wrong.
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,824
    It's kind of funny to see him treated well when just about everyone should dislike him. He was a GOP neo-con warmonger. The left has always, for the most part, hated that. And today's GQP hates it, too (it's about their only redeeming quality). I guess his professional demeaner, the still-existent respect held for the military, and "don't speak ill of the dead" are all in play.
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    How is he a war criminal?  He was a general in the army, when you join the military you follow orders or face charges.  POTUS is the man who makes the ultimate call if military action is needed, am I correct?  Powell always seemed like a good one…and a respected 4 star general.  Also was he not one of the rare republicans who was disgusted by Trump.


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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,833
    brianlux said:
    Moonpig said:
    War criminal

    Competing with Trump for "Boldest Insult of a Recently Deceased Major American Figure"? 
    Get in line. 
    And while you're at it, maybe learn a little discretion in timing.  You only make yourself look bad here.
    I get what you're saying Brian, but why do we have this habit of praising someone who is directly responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of people, just because they recently died? it's so odd to me. 
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Meltdown99 said:
    How is he a war criminal?  He was a general in the army, when you join the military you follow orders or face charges.  POTUS is the man who makes the ultimate call if military action is needed, am I correct?  Powell always seemed like a good one…and a respected 4 star general.  Also was he not one of the rare republicans who was disgusted by Trump.


    Because he lied about WMDs to justify going into a never ending war?
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,722
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    Moonpig said:
    War criminal

    Competing with Trump for "Boldest Insult of a Recently Deceased Major American Figure"? 
    Get in line. 
    And while you're at it, maybe learn a little discretion in timing.  You only make yourself look bad here.
    I get what you're saying Brian, but why do we have this habit of praising someone who is directly responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of people, just because they recently died? it's so odd to me. 

    Yeah, I get what your saying.  I just don't like the "OK he's dead, now let's heap our hatred on him."   It just seems wrong to do that when someone has just died.  I suppose if we were talking about someone like Hitler, or some other major evil soul, that might be a different story.  But most often, trashing someone when they die?  To me that says as much about the person doing the trashing as it does the person being trashed.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,833
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    Moonpig said:
    War criminal

    Competing with Trump for "Boldest Insult of a Recently Deceased Major American Figure"? 
    Get in line. 
    And while you're at it, maybe learn a little discretion in timing.  You only make yourself look bad here.
    I get what you're saying Brian, but why do we have this habit of praising someone who is directly responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of people, just because they recently died? it's so odd to me. 

    Yeah, I get what your saying.  I just don't like the "OK he's dead, now let's heap our hatred on him."   It just seems wrong to do that when someone has just died.  I suppose if we were talking about someone like Hitler, or some other major evil soul, that might be a different story.  But most often, trashing someone when they die?  To me that says as much about the person doing the trashing as it does the person being trashed.
    I feel like most of those "trashing" are doing so as a reaction to the glorification of the person. 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,722
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    Moonpig said:
    War criminal

    Competing with Trump for "Boldest Insult of a Recently Deceased Major American Figure"? 
    Get in line. 
    And while you're at it, maybe learn a little discretion in timing.  You only make yourself look bad here.
    I get what you're saying Brian, but why do we have this habit of praising someone who is directly responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of people, just because they recently died? it's so odd to me. 

    Yeah, I get what your saying.  I just don't like the "OK he's dead, now let's heap our hatred on him."   It just seems wrong to do that when someone has just died.  I suppose if we were talking about someone like Hitler, or some other major evil soul, that might be a different story.  But most often, trashing someone when they die?  To me that says as much about the person doing the trashing as it does the person being trashed.
    I feel like most of those "trashing" are doing so as a reaction to the glorification of the person. 

    Well, I won't be glorifying him, nor will I trash him, not at this time.
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    They say the 1st casualty of war is the truth.  He’s a general who is trained to follow orders…


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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,833
    he was SOS who knowingly mislead the UN about WMD to start a war, ending in the murder of thousands of innocents. 

    that's not the same as "following orders in the military", which, by the way, you also aren't allowed to do if you know it's illegal. 

    excusing the massacre of thousands while constantly vilifying another for wearing blackface is, well, a tad inconsistent, and just shows the bias at play. 
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    According to the United Nations, a war crime is a serious breach of international law committed against civilians or “enemy combatants” during an international or domestic armed conflict. A war crime occurs when superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering is inflicted upon an enemy.

    A decent case can be made that he was a war criminal. Stating that fact is not the same thing as making an "insult". 
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    I lost all respect for the man when he sold his soul to Darth Cheney and the Evil Empire with his dog & pony show before the UN. He should have resigned and kept his reputation intact.
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    he was SOS who knowingly mislead the UN about WMD to start a war, ending in the murder of thousands of innocents. 

    that's not the same as "following orders in the military", which, by the way, you also aren't allowed to do if you know it's illegal. 

    excusing the massacre of thousands while constantly vilifying another for wearing blackface is, well, a tad inconsistent, and just shows the bias at play. 

    I'd argue whomever was in that position would have done the same thing. Bush's decision ultimately.....
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mickeyrat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    he was SOS who knowingly mislead the UN about WMD to start a war, ending in the murder of thousands of innocents. 

    that's not the same as "following orders in the military", which, by the way, you also aren't allowed to do if you know it's illegal. 

    excusing the massacre of thousands while constantly vilifying another for wearing blackface is, well, a tad inconsistent, and just shows the bias at play. 

    I'd argue whomever was in that position would have done the same thing. Bush's decision ultimately.....
    Agreed.  The bucks stop with the presidents, and other than Trump most presidents stand and take responsibility…

    I could care a less if the un feels they were lied to…the urn is useless.

    I think it’s a forgone conclusion that the POTUS will get blood on his hands…part of the job.  I don’t necessarily like it…but it is what it is and I’d still rather have the US as a friend…even though it may not seem it times.


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