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Wonder how Ed feels about Obama......

Vedder316Vedder316 Posts: 205
edited August 2008 in A Moving Train
............canceling a visit to the injured troops. You know since Eddie is such a big advocate for injured troops against the war. His excuse was humorous.
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    The initital story i heard, was he had cancelled a pre-planned visit to the troops in Germany after he was told by the Pentagon that the trip would violate a Pentagon policy prohibiting campaign stops on military installations. No doubt there are about 25 different versions of why he didn't though, floating around by now.

    Another non issue blown out of proportion. I guess when people don't have anything of substance to trash Obama with, anything will do. Obama was going to take a hit on this issue either way, so the smart thing to do would have been to visit the troops, get the credit and then take the hit for using the visit as a campaign stop. The old catch-22, dammed if he did, dammed if he didn't!

    A no win situation.

    Oh, and as to Ed, i hadn't really thought much about he will feel. I don't really care too much either. Love his music though ;)
  • Vedder316Vedder316 Posts: 205
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    The initital story i heard, was he had cancelled a pre-planned visit to the troops in Germany after he was told by the Pentagon that the trip would violate a Pentagon policy prohibiting campaign stops on military installations. No doubt there are about 25 different versions of why he didn't though, floating around by now.

    Another non issue blown out of proportion. I guess when people don't have anything of substance to trash Obama with, anything will do. Obama was going to take a hit on this issue either way, so the smart thing to do would have been to visit the troops, get the credit and then take the hit for using the visit as a campaign stop. The old catch-22, dammed if he did, dammed if he didn't!

    A no win situation.

    Oh, and as to Ed, i hadn't really thought much about he will feel. I don't really care too much either. Love his music though ;)

    Too true on all accounts.
    Many many wonderful shows, since day one.
    Love ya Punkinfur
  • rocketmanrocketman Posts: 68
    Ed has not been that overt about Obama. Either he is finally learning to tone it down and pick his battles wisely or maybe he actually wasn't suckered by the mind numbing rhetoric for "change" everyone on here bought by the f'n pound. How's your change feelin now?
  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    the story that i heard was that Obama was told that the media would not be allowed into the hospital while he visits the troops. when he heard that he decided to forget it.
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    I guess when people don't have anything of substance to trash Obama with, anything will do.
    oh no, don't worry. there are plenty of things that make Obama look like trash. ;)
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Thecure wrote:
    the story that i heard was that Obama was told that the media would not be allowed into the hospital while he visits the troops. when he heard that he decided to forget it.

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/snubbing_wounded_troops.html
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/591/
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    rocketman wrote:
    How's your change feelin now?

    Pretty good, thanks.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    I have no idea why who Vedder votes for or what he thinks of politicians, matters to anyone.
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    rocketman wrote:
    Ed has not been that overt about Obama. Either he is finally learning to tone it down and pick his battles wisely or maybe he actually wasn't suckered by the mind numbing rhetoric for "change" everyone on here bought by the f'n pound. How's your change feelin now?


    are you serious?
    have you not been to any of his west coast solo shows, or any of the recent east coast pearl jam shows? heard any boots? he has been VERY overt. he just wasn't as overt as the rest of the band from the get-go.


    i believe someone posted here about how an obama poster was walked across the stage at one, maybe all, of his solo gigs? he has mentioned obama, his belief, a few times at EVERY east coast show i've attended this year. pretty 'overt' to me.


    beyond that...

    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    The initital story i heard, was he had cancelled a pre-planned visit to the troops in Germany after he was told by the Pentagon that the trip would violate a Pentagon policy prohibiting campaign stops on military installations. No doubt there are about 25 different versions of why he didn't though, floating around by now.

    Another non issue blown out of proportion. I guess when people don't have anything of substance to trash Obama with, anything will do. Obama was going to take a hit on this issue either way, so the smart thing to do would have been to visit the troops, get the credit and then take the hit for using the visit as a campaign stop. The old catch-22, dammed if he did, dammed if he didn't!

    A no win situation.

    Oh, and as to Ed, i hadn't really thought much about he will feel. I don't really care too much either. Love his music though



    agree with all of the above, most especially the last statement. :)
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  • rocketmanrocketman Posts: 68
    decides2dream wrote:
    are you serious?
    have you not been to any of his west coast solo shows, or any of the recent east coast pearl jam shows? heard any boots? he has been VERY overt. he just wasn't as overt as the rest of the band from the get-go.


    i believe someone posted here about how an obama poster was walked across the stage at one, maybe all, of his solo gigs? he has mentioned obama, his belief, a few times at EVERY east coast show i've attended this year. pretty 'overt' to me.


    beyond that...






    agree with all of the above, most especially the last statement. :)

    I was at one of his shows and he made one Obama comment. And it wasn't that overt compared to what he was doin in 2004. Big difference. Thats all Im sayin.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    _outlaw wrote:
    oh no, don't worry. there are plenty of things that make Obama look like trash. ;)
    Quiet down you ;)

    Well, for one, he doesn't like old people. I love old people, so he's lost my vote.

    Zomg! Teh obamanation iz going to kill ur nice old white ladiez and frow dem under teh bus :eek:

    When he's elected President, you better lock up your mommas and grammas.
  • Smellyman2Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    rocketman wrote:
    I was at one of his shows and he made one Obama comment. And it wasn't that overt compared to what he was doin in 2004. Big difference. Thats all Im sayin.

    Atually more overt now then in 04. don't think he mentioned Kerry once.

    He just wanted the giant douche out ot the WH.

    This year it is the giant douche candidate and the much much mcuh better candidate compared to Bore and Lurch previously.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    cornnifer wrote:
    Pretty good, thanks.

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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    ;)

    Please don't modify my posts. Even with the winking faced guy, i don't appreciate it.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • nothingheadnothinghead Posts: 270
    only caught one solo show on the west coast (berkeley I)...

    he mentioned not wanting to be too overtly political -- and then a giant banner was unfurled and walked across the stage behind him. one of the funnier things i've seen at a concert actually. however, it's certainly not subtle.
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    rocketman wrote:
    I was at one of his shows and he made one Obama comment. And it wasn't that overt compared to what he was doin in 2004. Big difference. Thats all Im sayin.



    not to point out the obvious, however, the 2004 tour was a VOTE FOR CHANGE tour. it wasn't even a pearl jam tour per se. it was in support of a political ideaology, so i WOULD totally expect 'overt.'


    this year, was a pearl jam tour. no other agenda. making ANY comment, even just one, is overt. he is expressing his politics and desires by saying even one word of support to obama, or any candidate.


    you don't see it like that, fair enough. that's all i'm sayin'.

    nothinghead wrote:
    only caught one solo show on the west coast (berkeley I)...

    he mentioned not wanting to be too overtly political -- and then a giant banner was unfurled and walked across the stage behind him. one of the funnier things i've seen at a concert actually. however, it's certainly not subtle.



    i've heard about that, and i think it's awesome. :D

    i know at the DC show, while not beating the audience over the head with it, most definitely made a few comments, and in direct support of obama, that was clear. same at one/both MSGs. hartford and mansfield I, i don't remember specific comments per se.
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    decides2dream wrote:
    i know at the DC show, while not beating the audience over the head with it, most definitely made a few comments, and in direct support of obama, that was clear. same at one/both MSGs. hartford and mansfield I, i don't remember specific comments per se.
    I think it may have been MSG II where at the end of Wishlist, he pretty much sang about how he wishes Obama would be president, or something.

    That was a better piss break than Even Flow. :p
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Thecure wrote:
    the story that i heard was that Obama was told that the media would not be allowed into the hospital while he visits the troops. when he heard that he decided to forget it.
    Source?
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    rocketman wrote:
    Ed has not been that overt about Obama.

    You must have missed the giant "Obama" banner he kept trotting out on his solo tour, eh?

    And the way he keeps sneaking his name into "All Along the Watchtower" and various tags?
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    for the least they could possibly do
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    _outlaw wrote:
    I think it may have been MSG II where at the end of Wishlist, he pretty much sang about how he wishes Obama would be president, or something.

    That was a better piss break than Even Flow. :p


    i couldn't remember which show that occurred, and i do believe he made comments at both shows.



    and yes, that was pretty awesome. :D




    hope you enjoyed your piss break.
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  • angelm20angelm20 Posts: 142
    I just have to say ~ I love all you people out there!
    You are just amazing and I do not know why it took me so freekin long to join ya'l! I learn something new Every day ~ all these links ...so cool...I'll be reading all day...I thought I knew a lot...but...you'al make me feel like the village idiot in here. I really trust and value all your opinions ~ just have to THANK YOU all and let ya know that I just love ya!
    Take good care out there and keep on keepin on with your bad selves~ dang
  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    inmytree wrote:
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/591/
    If he really cared he would have left the advisor and gone by himself. How many aaa's did he mutter while he was trying to explain this. Contrary to wht the kool aid drinkers think he is not a very eloquent speaker when the Tele-prompter is removed.
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    Pats54 wrote:
    If he really cared he would have left the advisor and gone by himself. How many aaa's did he mutter while he was trying to explain this. Contrary to wht the kool aid drinkers think he is not a very eloquent speaker when the Tele-prompter is removed.
    eh, as far as speaking goes, I think Obama isn't so terrible. He could do better, and he is overrated, but if I were to want to complain about Obama, his speaking abilities would definitely not be one of my complaints.
  • Vedder316Vedder316 Posts: 205
    NMyTree wrote:
    I have no idea why who Vedder votes for or what he thinks of politicians, matters to anyone.

    He is quite vocal about who he supports at live shows.
    Many many wonderful shows, since day one.
    Love ya Punkinfur
  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    callen wrote:
    Source?

    it was a story that i heard never said it was real. i don't believe that story but it was a story i heard from people. sorry didn't ask them the source as i really don't care. not something i think is important
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Thecure wrote:
    it was a story that i heard never said it was real. i don't believe that story but it was a story i heard from people. sorry didn't ask them the source as i really don't care. not something i think is important

    yet you repeat a story you find unimportant...

    gee, thanks...:rolleyes:
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    _outlaw wrote:
    eh, as far as speaking goes, I think Obama isn't so terrible. He could do better, and he is overrated, but if I were to want to complain about Obama, his speaking abilities would definitely not be one of my complaints.

    ...honesty and openess. Props to you...
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  • DixieNDixieN Posts: 351
    Vedder316 wrote:
    ............canceling a visit to the injured troops. You know since Eddie is such a big advocate for injured troops against the war. His excuse was humorous.

    This is one that Obama wouldn't win, unless he had never made his intentions to visit public. If he went, Republicans would accuse him of trying to act like a president. They would accuse him of using soldiers to achieve poltical ends. How shameful!

    So, he didn't go because he was trying to outmaneuver the Republicans...not let them use the visit against him. But, they did anyway by telling total lies about why he didn't go and using it against him.

    On this one, and on many comming occasions, no matter what choice Obama makes in a given situation, it will be swiftly spun by glittering boats into an unflattering web of lies.

    Right now, McCain is having a hissy fit over Obama's popularity. Oh, dear. The media don't pay me no mind! I'm so jealous. So, I'll lie and compare Obama to Britney. And Paris. Oh, ooops! I did it again...The Hiltons gave me money, and I just called their daughter a brainless celebrity bimbo. I'll bet they're glad they back me now! Parents love it when you insult their kids!

    Actually, McCain is so jealous of Obama, he has to talk trash. How else is he going to get attention? He sounds catty enough to start meowing! Now *that* is humorous.
  • angelm20angelm20 Posts: 142
    DixieN wrote:
    This is one that Obama wouldn't win, unless he had never made his intentions to visit public. If he went, Republicans would accuse him of trying to act like a president. They would accuse him of using soldiers to achieve poltical ends. How shameful!

    So, he didn't go because he was trying to outmaneuver the Republicans...not let them use the visit against him. But, they did anyway by telling total lies about why he didn't go and using it against him.

    On this one, and on many comming occasions, no matter what choice Obama makes in a given situation, it will be swiftly spun by glittering boats into an unflattering web of lies.

    Right now, McCain is having a hissy fit over Obama's popularity. Oh, dear. The media don't pay me no mind! I'm so jealous. So, I'll lie and compare Obama to Britney. And Paris. Oh, ooops! I did it again...The Hiltons gave me money, and I just called their daughter a brainless celebrity bimbo. I'll bet they're glad they back me now! Parents love it when you insult their kids!

    Actually, McCain is so jealous of Obama, he has to talk trash. How else is he going to get attention? He sounds catty enough to start meowing! Now *that* is humorous.

    Beautiful~ so true its funny! I almost feel sorry for McCain now. He is pathetic.
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