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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Byrnzie wrote:
    This article from the front page of the website doesn't seem to be to bi-partisan...

    Selling Gaza to Egypt???
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    Grassroots
    March 31, 2008
    10:16 AM PDT


    Well,what's going on here?
    Israel is discussing with Egypt the possibility of 'casting' Hamas controlled Gaza 'adrift' in an Arabian 'sea' called the Sinai? And Egypt is supposed to be the NEW 'LANDLORD'? Providing all the power resources???
    Is Israel daring to consider putting Gaza up for 'adoption'by the Egyptians in these moves that include Egypt beginning to supply ALL ELECTRICAL POWER TO GAZA,instead of the Israelis doing it?
    What next? All Gazan Palestinians will be MADE TO BECOME EGYPTIANS?
    Is Israel going to give all the 'slap-on-the-back' favours,jobs,food,medicines,invitations to come for tea etc to the West Bank and COMPLETELY OUST Gaza because it HAPPENED to hold a LEGAL election in favour of a party that America and Israel STILL LABEL AS "TERRORIST"? Yeh Right!
    Israel is one of the most hypocritically brutal 'terrorist' States AROUND!
    Of which fact,half of Israelis ARE ALREADY SOULFULLY aware of,and embarrassed by!
    It has NO RIGHT TO condemn others FOR ACTIONS which are a tenth,in strength,to their own DAILY ASSAULTS on their neighbours!
    Israeli Nuclear weapons,white phosphorous,and 1 ton bombs,against Chinese fire-crackers(comparably)?
    A very 'gentlemanly' fight,what?
    I suppose that's Israels way of PUSHING GAZA,and it's Palestinians INTO THE SEA without a raft!
    Except,it wants to:
    -push Palestinian people into the Egyptian desert,(get them back for the Jewish 'Exodus'),
    -take land which IS NOT ENDIGENOUSLY THEIRS!
    -demolish the Palestinian homes in total,with people(including foreign activists) STILL INSIDE!
    -revamp a disgracefully neglected sewage system that's ALREADY spreading disease,
    -open up a few nice coffee shops,restock the STARK empty shelves of abandoned stores and open up stylish salons,and discos where their Israeli kids can get stone-arsed drunk,or high on DRUGS as they do NOW!
    -AND,BUILD NICE NEW 'Jewish only' billionaire 'TRUMP-STYLE' condominiums/villas,along a valued sea-side location, to sell to any other NATIONALITY as long as they be Jewish!!!
    Sounds just like the plan for the devastated Katrina area,right here in the lil'ole' U.S.OF A!
    Israel should be ASHAMED OF ITSELF. I am ashamed of it!
    Doing to others as others did to them previously? SINFUL AND VERY UN-"CHOSEN"!

    Looks to me like Israel is EVEN MORE SO collectively punishing the people of Gaza for the actions of Hamas,(which are negligable in comparison to the size and damage of Israeli IDF/GSS 'terrorist' ATTACKS),and DEEPENING the divide between the Palestinians of the 'well-behaved' Abbas PA West-Bank and their Palestinian brother and sisters in Gaza!
    It's like watching apartheid and ethnic cleansing in SOUTH AFRICA all over again,but the Jewish people who lived in South Africa then SHOULD REMEMBER THAT NIGHTMARE!
    Israel,you are playing God,by staging a re-run of the Cain and Abel story,SHAME ON YOU!
    And now,Israeli agrees to remove a WHOPPING 10% of check-points between West Bank and Israel.
    WOW! All done on George Dubya's "watch"? I guess he's still after that purty lil' Nobel Peace Prize!
    PUKE!
    Big deal! That should leave ONLY 480-ISH checkpoints left,with MORE NEW ONES ON THE WAY!
    Not to mention the INCREASING ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS on Palestinian land!!!!
    Oh,I'm sure the 'West Bankers'will fall to their knees in GRATITUDE and ADORATION!!
    YAWN!!!!'

    um...that was a post on a forum....like this one...

    do yourself a favor...watch a few shows....then let me know what you think...
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    PaperPlates wrote:
    LOL nah, he's not my type. I only hobnobb with pretty blondes. :p

    Glad to hear it!

    The message pit ain't big enough for another Stephen Hawking/C3P0 Crossbreed.

    :)
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    hehe...was that a copy and paste?

    Some of the fastest speed readers in the world can about 5000wpm, doing the approximate math, you're claiming roughly 4000wpm....hmm ok..

    hehe.... just cuz he said it was 5 seconds doesnt make it so. hehe.....I read the damn article, hehe.....it was only a few paragraphs, hehe....and I commented on it. hehe....Whats your point Roland?



    Check the times of the posts. 7:18 Original Post.


    7:19 My reply. That leaves a possible time to read 3 or 4 paragraphs of 1:59.


















    hehe.......... anything else?
    Why go home

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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Glad to hear it!

    The message pit ain't big enough for another Stephen Hawking/C3P0 Crossbreed.

    :)


    On that we can agree. :)
    Why go home

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    inmytree wrote:
    um...that was a post on a forum....like this one...

    do yourself a favor...watch a few shows....then let me know what you think...

    I'll check it out tomorrow. I'm needing to sleep now.
    I'll let you know what I think. But I can't promise I'll come around to thinking that the best option is to wash my hands of the issue by claiming that both 'countries' are 'fucked and wrong'. In case you don't know it already, I'm a stubborn bastard! ;)
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    PaperPlates wrote:
    hehe.... just cuz he said it was 5 seconds doesnt make it so. hehe.....I read the damn article, hehe.....it was only a few paragraphs, hehe....and Icommented on it. hehe....Whats your point Roland?



    Check the times of the posts. 7:18 Original Post.


    7:19 My reply. That leaves a possible time to read 3 or paragraphs of 1:59.

    hehe.......... anything else?

    there's no point really...I'm just f-ing around, but the server rounds up to the nearest minute ;) hehe
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    there's no point really...I'm just f-ing around



    ;)
    Why go home

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I'll check it out tomorrow. I'm needing to sleep now.
    I'll let you know what I think. But I can't promise I'll come around to thinking that the best option is to wash my hands of the issue by claiming that both 'countries' are 'fucked and wrong'. In case you don't know it already, I'm a stubborn bastard! ;)

    sleep well...:)

    please note, I'm not washing my hands of the issue, I'm just saying there is more to it that blaming one side...
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    PaperPlates wrote:
    ;)


    This is why I post so many videos instead :p
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Why don't you read the article before commenting? You may learn something.


    people cant read... they watch tv...


    and this is the result of it..

    there news sources consist of

    Colmes
    Hannity
    Blitzer
    Matthews
    Oreilly
    Limbaugh


    a nation of morons is the result of this..
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Non-ID Palestinians in Lebanon limbo

    By Mike Sergeant
    BBC News, Sidon
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7325147.stm

    Mohammed and Maysa (centre) face many problems over their status

    Mohammed and his sister Maysa are Palestinians but they have no passports and no identity cards.

    They are not even given the status of refugees. Legally, they don't seem to exist at all.

    They are among about 3,000 so-called "non-ID" Palestinians in Lebanon. Many don't qualify for aid and have been unable to leave the refugee camps, find jobs or even get married.

    "Last year the government prevented me from doing my exams," says Mohammed, a 21-year-old student.

    "They arrested me because I don't have an ID. Without an ID, I can't do anything."

    "We face many problems," says his sister Maysa. "No travel, no marriage, no work. We live in the camp like a prison."

    Their mother Aida has lived a life of regret.

    "It's my husband's problem," she says. "If I had known at the time what a big issue this would be for us, I would never have married him."

    Aida's husband is one of the original "non-ID" Palestinians who came to Lebanon in the 1970s. His lack of official status has been passed on to his children.

    Their situation is very different from that of the majority of Lebanon's 400,000 Palestinian refugees. Most come from families who fled here when the state of Israel was created in 1948.

    But the "non-ID" Palestinians arrived more than 20 years later via Jordan. Many of them came to Lebanon to fight for the Palestine Liberation Organisation after its expulsion from Jordan in 1971.

    "They cannot move out of the camp. They cannot work officially. They cannot register their marriages, their births, their deaths.

    "They cannot own a car or a motorbike. So they face a lot of problems," says Mireille Chiha of the Danish Refugee Council, an organisation which has been working with the families.

    On a hill overlooking Ein al-Hilweh, the biggest refugee camp in Lebanon, I meet one of the original "non-ID" Palestinians.

    Surrounded by chickens and almond trees, Ragheb Bitar looks every inch the proud former warrior. He fought in many wars against Israel.

    But for the past 20 years, he hasn't been able to go beyond the camp's perimeter fence or see some of his children.

    "People without IDs, we are all prisoners," he says. "I was forced to be a fighter. If this continues, I will tell my children and my grandchildren to be fighters too."

    That is a possibility that is worrying the Lebanese government. Relations with the Palestinians have a complex and turbulent history.

    With hundreds of thousands of refugees already registered in this small country, the authorities have been reluctant since the 1970s to accept any extra burden.

    But that could finally be about to change.

    Dr Khalil Makkawi represents the Lebanese government. He says "non-IDs" will now get similar status to the others.

    "They will be able to move freely from one place to the other," he says "They will have the liberty to do whatever they want just like other Palestinians in Lebanon."

    The process of documenting the "non-ID" Palestinians will begin over the next few weeks. Why the change of policy?

    It's partly an acceptance of the reality that these people are Palestinian refugees living in Lebanon, with nowhere else to go.

    Dr Makkawi also says that there is a potential security risk, if thousands of people are living in the camps with no official identity.

    Equality for "non-ID" refugees, though, won't help solve a much bigger issue.

    The fate of all the 400,000 Palestinians in Lebanon is still unsettled, after almost 60 years.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Your papers please!

    no papers?...ok presto...you're not a human being anymore. Go crawl back into your pit of suffering and die.

    Seig Heil...hitler rides again on the flip side.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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