Israel dismisses new peace plan

ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
edited November 2006 in A Moving Train
Friday, 17 November 2006, 10:07 GMT

Israel dismisses new peace plan



The Middle East peace process has ground to a complete halt
Israel has dismissed a Middle East peace plan put forward by Spain, France and Italy.
The plan calls for a ceasefire and increased international intervention in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

An Israeli official said parts of the plan were being discussed, but it was not being taken seriously as it was not co-ordinated with the EU or Israel.

The Spanish prime minister proposed the plan, saying the situation required urgent action by the outside world.

"We cannot remain impassive in the face of the horror that continues to unfold before our eyes," Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said.

"Violence has reached a level of deterioration that requires determined, urgent action by the international community."

Israel has long opposed greater international intervention and does not favour an international peace conference.

"Israel believes that it is right to conduct direct negotiations with all sides of the conflict," Amira Oron, the foreign ministry spokeswoman, said.

Peace between Israel and the Palestinians means to a large extent peace on the international scene

A senior Palestinian negotiator, Saeb Erekat, welcomed the plan in principle.

But he added: "We don't need to reinvent the wheel, we don't need a new initiative. What we need is a mechanism for implementation and timelines [for settlement]."

"President Bush has specified the endgame as a two-state solution. What we need is a realistic political track, and that's where this initiative can come in."

"Peace between Israel and the Palestinians means to a large extent peace on the international scene," Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said on Thursday as he presented the initiative.


Zapatero
and Chirac are two of the plans main advocates
He said a plan would be put to an EU summit in December and he hoped it would be backed by the UK and Germany.

The proposal would include an immediate ceasefire and the formation of a Palestinian unity government.

The other three components of the plan would involve an exchange of prisoners, talks between Israel's prime minister and the Palestinian Authority president and an international mission in Gaza to monitor a ceasefire.

The peace move comes after a major Israeli ground offensive in Gaza aimed at ending militant rocket fire into Israel.

More than 80 Palestinians were killed in the operation and the period immediately after it, many of them civilians.

On Wednesday, a Palestinian rocket fired into Israel killed an Israeli woman and seriously injured two men.

Israeli forces have made regular incursions into Gaza and the West Bank since the capture of an Israeli soldier in a cross-border raid by Palestinian militants on 25 June.

Fourteen months ago Israel withdrew its settlers and military bases from the Gaza Strip, which it occupied in 1967.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    why are you always intent on making Israel look like the only bad guy in this situation? both sides need to do much more. one side needs to stop targeting civiilians and the other needs to show more restraint.
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    why are you always intent on making Israel look like the only bad guy in this situation? both sides need to do much more. one side needs to stop targeting civiilians and the other needs to show more restraint.
    True.

    But one side is apparently a civilised nation, a sovereign state, a member of the UN with an intelligent and well supported armed force.

    The other is not recognised by the (majority of the) international community, with no international representation and a dilapidated backbone.

    Of course they both need to do more. The problem is, the one that hols the key isn't.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    True.

    But one side is apparently a civilised nation, a sovereign state, a member of the UN with an intelligent and well supported armed force.

    The other is not recognised by the (majority of the) international community, with no international representation and a dilapidated backbone.

    Of course they both need to do more. The problem is, the one that hols the key isn't.

    there are reasons why they arent recognised by the international community. I have a hard time feeling sorry for them. they did it to themselves.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    one side needs to stop targeting civiilians and the other needs to show more restraint.

    I'm confused as to which way round to read this sentence. Please explain which side needs to stop targeting civiilians and which side needs to show more restraint. Thanks.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    they did it to themselves.

    Now i'm really confused. "they did it to themselves"? Please explain what this means. Thanks.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I'm confused as to which way round to read this sentence. Please explain which side needs to stop targeting civiilians and which side needs to show more restraint. Thanks.


    palestinines need to stop blindly shooting rockets into Israeli towns and blowing themselves up on a buses. (luckily that hasnt happened in awhile).

    Israel need to show more restraint when firing back even when these militants hide among civillians.


    sad you needed an explaination.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Now i'm really confused. "they did it to themselves"? Please explain what this means. Thanks.


    they, Hamas, need to recongnise Israel and loose its policy of wiping Israel off the map.

    got it now?
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Israel need to show more restraint when firing back even when these militants hide among civillians.

    This argument is cheap and pathetic. Would you agree that Afghanistan should be nuked in order to kill Osama Bin Laden, because he is possibly hiding amongst civilians?
    Do you believe that the massacre of 18 members of a Palestinian family last week was acceptable because a militant may have been hiding amongst them?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    This argument is cheap and pathetic. Would you agree that Afgahnistan should be nuked in order to kill Osama Bin Laden, because he is possibly hiding amongst civilians?
    Do you believe that the massacre of 18 members of a Palestinian family last week was acceptable because a militant may have been hiding amongst them?


    Cheap and pathetic? I'm the one with meaninglessness comments?

    no and no.

    I am saying Israel, you know the Zoinists, true terrorists, should show RESTRAIT.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    they, Hamas, need to recongnise Israel and loose its policy of wiping Israel off the map.

    got it now?

    Thank you for clearing that up for me. I now feel enlightened.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Thank you for clearing that up for me. I now feel enlightened.


    good. its about time
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no and no.

    I am saying Israel, you know the Zoinists, true terrorists, should show RESTRAIT.

    That's what I've been saying all along. That Israel, who are the true terrorists here, should show restraint. (Although I suspect that you've fucked up your typing of this post and so don't mean what you've typed.)

    However, I don't think that Isreal merely needs to 'show restraint', but that it needs to withdraw completely from the illegally occupied territories and begin abiding by international law, and cease committing war crimes against civilians.

    Simple really.
  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Its hard to make peace with a government that has stated in its charter to wipe your country off the map.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi wrote:
    Its hard to make peace with a government that has stated in its charter to wipe your country off the map.

    I would say that Its hard to make peace with a government like Israel that has slowly but surely been wiping Palestine off the map for the past 36 years.
  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I would say that Its hard to make peace with a government like Israel that has slowly but surely been wiping Palestine off the map for the past 36 years.

    I guess, we'll just decide to ignore what happened at Camp David...
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • How would you react if someone would come to your home and say: Hey, get off here, this belongs now to this people here. Get out! Accept it or get bombed!

    Hey get over it dude... Thats life you know...

    What if the world would have picked... lets say... Texas!

    Just try to understand what happened down there... How far back does your horizon reach? Munich '72 maybe?

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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi wrote:
    I guess, we'll just decide to ignore what happened at Camp David...

    I understand from your comment that you believe that the Palestinians are responsible for rejecting the camp David - so called - peace plans? In that case, please explain for me what you know about this particular so-called peace process and I will respond in turn.
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