Israel On The Road To Peace??

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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    spiral out wrote:
    You do have a lot of the wonderful qualities that jlew had, and they are becoming more apparent the more you post.

    so you're telling me this jlew guy condoned the condemning of killing innocent civilians? good for him, too bad there aren't more guys like him around.

    you are all really saying its ok to kill an Israel child as long as he/she lives on disputed land? fucking sick if you ask me.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    so you're telling me this jlew guy condoned the condemning of killing innocent civilians? good for him, too bad there aren't more guys like him around.

    you are all really saying its ok to kill an Israel child as long as he/she lives on disputed land? fucking sick if you ask me.

    Right... and Israel aren't to blame at all? Despite the numerous unprovoked attacks they've launched on the people they're displacing? Of course not... the country is theirs. God told them so.
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  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    so you're telling me this jlew guy condoned the condemning of killing innocent civilians? good for him, too bad there aren't more guys like him around.

    you are all really saying its ok to kill an Israel child as long as he/she lives on disputed land? fucking sick if you ask me.

    Not sure what this reply has to do with what i actually said, care to read it perhaps.

    And if anything this is a more jlew post. In the sense that you have totally avoided what has actually been written and are now going completely of subject with regards to my post that YOU have quoteD saying that people condone the killings of children.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    and if that means killing innocent Israeli civilians, so be it. praise Allah.

    Whilst we're on the subject of killing civilians...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7351024.stm
    Wednesday, 16 April 2008 15:56 UK

    Air strike 'kills 9 Palestinians'


    At least nine Palestinians have been killed in an Israeli air strike in the Gaza Strip, Palestinian sources say.

    The dead included at least two children, medics said. They also reported a large number of injured.

    The strike brings the day's death toll in Gaza to at least 17, following clashes earlier in the day.

    Three Israeli soldiers and five Hamas militants were killed after fighting erupted near the Nahal Oz border fuel terminal, east of Gaza City.

    Israel confirmed it had launched an air strike on the Bureij refugee camp.

    A military spokesman said: "There was an aerial raid on Bureij against armed gunmen and we identified hitting the target."

    Hamas and medical officials said most of those killed were civilians.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Right... and Israel aren't to blame at all? Despite the numerous unprovoked attacks they've launched on the people they're displacing? Of course not... the country is theirs. God told them so.

    I do not support Israel. they are just as much to blame in this mess.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Whilst we're on the subject of killing civilians...

    you support killing Israeli civilians who live in disputed land. I do not.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    spiral out wrote:
    Not sure what this reply has to do with what i actually said, care to read it perhaps.

    And if anything this is a more jlew post. In the sense that you have totally avoided what has actually been written and are now going completely of subject with regards to my post that YOU have quoteD saying that people condone the killings of children.

    you are confused young child. someone in this thread said they fully support killing civilians who live on disputed land. I voiced my opinion that I do not agree. and you jumped in saying it was a jlew-like post. well good for him/her.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    you support killing Israeli civilians who live in disputed land. I do not.

    Jlew, please quote me where I said that I fully 'support killing Israeli civilians who live in disputed land'.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Byrnzie wrote:
    please quote me where I said that I fully 'support killing Israeli civilians who live in disputed land'.

    Byrnzie wrote:
    If those killed are living on stolen land then I don't see how they qualify as 'innocent'.


    since you asked.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Byrnzie wrote:
    please quote me where I said that I fully 'support killing Israeli civilians who live in disputed land'.



    Byrnzie wrote:
    If those killed are living on stolen land then I don't see how they qualify as 'innocent'.


    lazymoon13 wrote:
    since you asked.

    I won't even bother trying to argue my point with you Jlew. Experience has taught me that it's just pissing in the wind. As I've mentioned before, when it comes to debating anything with you it all just turns into pathetic word games, due mainly to the fact that you have no argument.
    I'll just let everyone reading this thread make their own conclusions.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I won't even bother trying to argue my point with you Jlew. Experience has taught me that it's just pissing in the wind. As I've mentioned before, when it comes to debating anything with you it all just turns into pathetic word games, due mainly to the fact that you have no argument.
    I'll just let everyone reading this thread make their own conclusions.

    its clear to see. allow me to break it down for you. since I "have no argument" guess what, my argument is that civilians should never be targets. you disagree.

    you say this...
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Israel needs to withdraw back behind the 1967 borders. Until it does, then it has no hope of peace, and no right to expect peace.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I support the Palestinians right to resist.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    IIf those killed are living on stolen land then I don't see how they qualify as 'innocent'.


    you want to let everyone reading this thread make their own conclusions. ok fine. here it is..... unless Israel moves back to 1967 borders they have no RIGHT to peace and ANYONE (women children or peaceful Israeli citizens) living in disputed land are not deemed innocent and Palestinians have the RIGHT to resist (kill) them.


    I got it.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    my argument is that civilians should never be targets. you disagree.

    you say this...

    you want to let everyone reading this thread make their own conclusions. ok fine. here it is..... unless Israel moves back to 1967 borders they have no RIGHT to peace and ANYONE (women children or peaceful Israeli citizens) living in disputed land are not deemed innocent and Palestinians have the RIGHT to resist (kill) them.


    I got it.


    O.k, wise old man, here it is...I said that those civilians living on stolen land can not be considered innocent. Their mere presence is a provocation and they are there as a result of violent and illegal actions and policies. During world war 2 the Nazis moved Germans into houses in Eastern Germany - Bavaria, the Suddetenland, or whatever they called it - and Poland, In order to establish a permanent presence there. They moved into homes that had been forcibly cleared of their original inhabitants who were then sent to live in ghettoes - does this ring a bell? Can these German citizens be considered innocent?
    Jews who willingly move into the illegal settlements do so with the knowledge that they are moving onto land stolen by violence and intimidation. If the father of such a family wants to place his wife and children in the line of fire then who's to blame? The settlements represent violence and theft. Can they be considered a viable target by those whose land they have stolen? The answer is 'yes' for anyone able to put themselves in the shoes of a Palestinian. If someone forced you and your family out of your home at gunpoint and then bulldozed your home would you consider those who then moved onto your land innocent? Err, nope. You'd see them as a viable target.
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    you are confused young child. someone in this thread said they fully support killing civilians who live on disputed land.

    No they didn't. Someone on this thread said he understood that Israeli's living in the illegal settlements are not 'innocent' and Palestinians have a right to defend themselves and their land.
    And just in case you've forgotten, 5 times as many Palestinian civilians have been murdered as Israeli's. And seeing as you're an apologist for the occupation....?

    Still, nice attempt at muddying the water and getting off topic.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Can they be considered a viable target by those whose land they have stolen? The answer is yes.

    sorry, I do not agree with killing civilians. you do. grow a sac and stop dancing around it.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    sorry, I do not agree with killing civilians. you do. grow a sac and stop dancing around it.

    Oooh, tough guy.


    You support the occupation, but you don't agree with killing civilians? Errm, sorry to have to break this to you, but Palestinians haven't been evicted peacefully, or lawfully. Ya see, thousands have been killed. Get it?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    sorry, I do not agree with killing civilians. you do. grow a sac and stop dancing around it.

    Also, I'm wondering what name you'll reappear with after you get banned again Jlew.
    I think we should start a thread on it and begin taking bets now.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Oooh, tough guy.


    You support the occupation, but you don't agree with killing civilians? Errm, sorry to have to break this to you, but Palestinians haven't been evicted peacefully, or lawfully. Ya see, thousands have been killed. Get it?

    I don't support the occupation. I don't support Israel killing Palestinian civilians. I don't support hamas killing Israeli civilians.. YOU DO.

    I do support Israel's right to exist. I do support Palestine's right to exist. what the exact borders should be? I don't know. thats for them to figure out.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Also, I'm wondering what name you'll reappear with after you get banned again Jlew.
    I think we should start a thread on it and begin taking bets now.

    why would I get banned? I'm allowed to voice my opinion as much as anyone else.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    lazymoon13 wrote:

    you want to let everyone reading this thread make their own conclusions. ok fine. here it is..... unless Israel moves back to 1967 borders they have no RIGHT to peace and ANYONE (women children or peaceful Israeli citizens) living in disputed land are not deemed innocent and Palestinians have the RIGHT to resist (kill) them.


    I got it.


    not sure if ya got that faaaaaaaar more innocent palestinians are killed by israelis than the other way around. i'm sure you will say Amnesty International are lying to help protect the palestinians but you can easily do a google search for suicide bombings in israel and find an israeli government website stating....actually here it is, it was the first link in the search

    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Suicide+and+Other+Bombing+Attacks+in+Israel+Since.htm

    Suicide and Other Bombing Attacks in Israel Since the Declaration of Principles (Sept 1993)

    2 this year - 9 dead
    1 in 2007 - 3 dead
    3 in 2006 - 15 dead
    10 in 2005 - 24 dead, 3 killed no one

    i wonder how many palestinians were killed in those 4 years?

    2006
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/palestinian-death-toll-triples-this-year-430218.html

    Palestinian death toll triples this year
    he number of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces in the West Bank and Gaza Strip tripled this year, according to an Israeli human rights organisation. B'Tselem said 660 Palestinians had been killed during 2006, including 141 minors. The report claimed that at least 322 of those killed were not fighters.

    there, israel surpased the death count several times over for a 4 year period in just 1 fucking year, a year where there were only 3 attacks on israel

    yeah, you really care about innocents dying :rolleyes:


    2008:
    http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/children-and-civilian-bystanders-gaza-death-toll-20080303

    Children and civilian bystanders in Gaza death toll

    Israeli military air strikes and artillery attacks on the Gaza Strip during the last few days have killed over 100 Palestinians, including dozens of children and other civilian bystanders. Three Israelis – a civilian killed by a rocket fired by a Palestinian armed group on 27 February and two soldiers – were also killed.

    Many of the Palestinians killed were militants involved in attacks on Israel, but others were unarmed civilians taking no part in the hostilities, including some 25 children. The precise number of civilians killed is unclear and difficult to establish.

    The Israeli chief of staff is reported to have claimed that 90 percent of those killed were militants, but the UN and other sources, including those in Gaza, suggest that as many as half of the dead were civilians. More than 250 other people, including scores of unarmed civilians, have been injured.

    Israeli forces also destroyed houses and property across the Gaza Strip, including at least two medical facilities, before withdrawing on 3 March.

    do you fucking care about them destroying 2 medical facilities???? doubt i'll get a real answer from you
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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    El_Kabong wrote:
    not sure if ya got that faaaaaaaar more innocent palestinians are killed by israelis than the other way around. i'm sure you will say Amnesty International are lying to help protect the palestinians but you can easily do a google search for suicide bombings in israel and find an israeli government website stating....actually here it is, it was the first link in the search
    I do not support Israel killing Palestinian civilians.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    I do not support Israel killing Palestinian civilians.

    But you'll defend Israel whenever anyone on this message pit criticizes the occupation, or Israeli atrocities e.t.c. You'll then argue till the cows come home that 'both sides are as bad as each other' in order to pretend that we should just wash our hands of the issue. You pretend to be impartial, but your nothing of the sort. Anyone here who voices any criticism of Israel must be a 'Jihadist' who 'fully supports the killing of Israeli civilians' in your eyes.

    Don't think you're fooling anyone.

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