Palestinian deaths 'rose in 2006'

Byrnzie

Thursday, 28 December 2006, 23:06 GMT

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6215769.stm

Palestinian deaths 'rose in 2006'

Israeli security forces killed 660 Palestinians in 2006
- three times more than in 2005, according to an Israeli human rights group.
B'Tselem, which monitors human rights in the occupied territories, said the figure included 141 children.

At least 322 had taken no part in hostile acts, the group said.

In the same period, the number of deadly Palestinian attacks on Israelis has fallen - 23 Israelis were killed in 2006
compared with 50 last year.

The Israeli military renewed ground operations in the Gaza Strip after militants captured an Israeli soldier in a border raid in June.

Since June, Israeli troops have killed about 405 Palestinians in Gaza, including 88 children. More than half of the casualties were civilians, B'Tselem said.

As of November, 9,075 Palestinians were being held in Israeli jails. This number included 345 minors, it said.

Of these, 738 (22 minors) were being detained without trial and without knowing the charges against them, the group said.

660 Palestinians killed, compared with 23 Israelis. Interesting. Shame 'The Face' isn't around to justify this statistic. :rolleyes:

bill hicks

It's a fucking shame. My mother just came home from Ramallah, she has been working there as a volunteer midwife, trying to establish an exchange-program for Palestinian midwife students. What we see on the news is completely biased. Israeli soldiers were harassing civilians, everywhere, all the time. Old people, children - it didn't matter. At the check points people were held up for hours, for no reason at all.

Byrnzie

bill hicks wrote:

It's a fucking shame. My mother just came home from Ramallah, she has been working there as a volunteer midwife, trying to establish an exchange-program for Palestinian midwife students. What we see on the news is completely biased. Israeli soldiers were harassing civilians, everywhere, all the time. Old people, children - it didn't matter. At the check points people were held up for hours, for no reason at all.

Yeah. It's a fucking disgrace.


P.s, Bill Hicks! Great name dude!

miller8966

Of course more palestinians are going to die, their going against a great military.

duh!

Byrnzie

miller8966 wrote:

Of course more palestinians are going to die, their going against a great military.

duh!

No. You've got it the wrong way around Miller. A great military is going against them!


Duh! :rolleyes:

NCfan

Byrnzie wrote:

Thursday, 28 December 2006, 23:06 GMT

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6215769.stm

Palestinian deaths 'rose in 2006'

Israeli security forces killed 660 Palestinians in 2006
- three times more than in 2005, according to an Israeli human rights group.
B'Tselem, which monitors human rights in the occupied territories, said the figure included 141 children.

At least 322 had taken no part in hostile acts, the group said.

In the same period, the number of deadly Palestinian attacks on Israelis has fallen - 23 Israelis were killed in 2006
compared with 50 last year.

The Israeli military renewed ground operations in the Gaza Strip after militants captured an Israeli soldier in a border raid in June.

Since June, Israeli troops have killed about 405 Palestinians in Gaza, including 88 children. More than half of the casualties were civilians, B'Tselem said.

As of November, 9,075 Palestinians were being held in Israeli jails. This number included 345 minors, it said.

Of these, 738 (22 minors) were being detained without trial and without knowing the charges against them, the group said.

660 Palestinians killed, compared with 23 Israelis. Interesting. Shame 'The Face' isn't around to justify this statistic. :rolleyes:

Life's not fair, get over it... Maybe the American indians should try to rise up and take back their land - what do you think?

Shit happens, okay? The Arabs have tried 4 different wars over the last 50 years to overthrow Israel and take back their land, but they failed each time. If they would just give up their quest to destroy Israel and take back their land, then all this would be overwith.

Maybe if Israel was a backward, fragmented country embroiled in chaos, civil unrest and ruled by some cruel, oppresive dictator - maybe then the world might try to do somethiing. But it's the opposite. Israel is one of the most progressive and wealthy countries in the world. Their strength and power have not come becuase they took it from the Palestininians. It came because they formed a consecsual governement based on freedom and civil liberties for their citizens and rule by the people. This allowed them to work and earn what they have. On the other hand, the Palestinians can't get past their humiliation and blame their failures on the Jews..... such a shame. That won't work forever.

angelica

NCfan wrote:

Shit happens, okay?

Do you say this about 911? Life just isn't fair doncha know.

NCfan

angelica wrote:

Do you say this about 911? Life just isn't fair doncha know.

Not sure I see any parallels there... what is the comparison?

Byrnzie

NCfan wrote:

Not sure I see any parallels there... what is the comparison?

Try stepping outside yourself and seeing the world through the eyes of others. Imagine yourself living in the West bank with a wife and children. Think hard about it. It's not that difficult.

angelica

NCfan wrote:

Not sure I see any parallels there... what is the comparison?

No, I guess you don't.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

angelica wrote:

Do you say this about 911? Life just isn't fair doncha know.

Great point as usual. I always enjoy your insight.

angelica

Saturnal wrote:

Great point as usual. I always enjoy your insight.

Thanks very much!

NCfan

So let the killing continue then, I say. Israel is never going to back down, and the Palestinians are never going to be in a position to do anything about it, except try to win sympathy from others.

I'm not saying it is fair, but at this point in history the options are get over it or continue to wallow in your misery...

Byrnzie

NCfan wrote:

So let the killing continue then, I say. Israel is never going to back down, and the Palestinians are never going to be in a position to do anything about it, except try to win sympathy from others.

I'm not saying it is fair, but at this point in history the options are get over it or continue to wallow in your misery...

So you're something of a humanitarian then? Or is it just Palestinians that you couldn't give a shit about?

NCfan

Byrnzie wrote:

So you're something of a humanitarian then? Or is just Palestinians that you couldn't give a shit about?

I care about them, but not their cause. Therefore, I think it would be in their best interest to quit supplying the recruits and supporters of Hamas and try to move forward in life without the need to destroy Israel.

Byrnzie

NCfan wrote:

I care about them, but not their cause. Therefore, I think it would be in their best interest to quit supplying the recruits and supporters of Hamas and try to move forward in life without the need to destroy Israel.

You don't support their cause, which is to have a homeland of their own within the internationally recognised 1967 borders?

angelica

Byrnzie wrote:

So you're something of a humanitarian then?

Collin

There can only be a solution once the American and British governments stop supporting the violence and terrorism commited by Israel.

NCfan

Byrnzie wrote:

You don't support their cause, which is to have a homeland of their own within the internationally recognised 1967 borders?

I don't believe that is their cause. The Palestinians just democratically elected Hamas as their government. We all know what the goal of Hamas is, and it doesn't have anything to do with 1967 borders.

Byrnzie

NCfan wrote:

I don't believe that is their cause. The Palestinians just democratically elected Hamas as their government. We all know what the goal of Hamas is, and it doesn't have anything to do with 1967 borders.

I suppose it's the same reason that the ANC in South Africa was so popular. When you spend a lifetime being terrorised then you tend to lean towards those who will fight back.

NCfan

Byrnzie wrote:

I suppose it's the same reason that the ANC in South Africa was so popular. When you spend a lifetime being terrorised then you tend to lean towards those who will fight back.

Then the Palestinians are at fault here. When I look at the situation, I don't see race or religion at all. If the roles were reversed, I would be supporting the Arab Muslims. Personally, I don't care for either religion. I care most about the country that supports human rights and civil liberties and religious freedom. In this case, that would be Israel. Like I said, if the tables were turned and Palestine were the democracy,then I would support Palestine.

Israel did not steal Palestine's wealth, ambition, traditions, goverment, etc. They took some of their land, and proceeded to shape an incredibly strong nation. So strong, in fact, that 350 million Arabs can't do a damn thing about 7 million Jews in "their" homeland.

Call me crazy, but it's fairly obvious that Palestine is one of the poorest regions on Earth. Without subsidies from other countries, INCLUDING ISREAL, the "government" would collapse. In other words, the Palestinians do not have the international credibility, military power, man power or wealth that is necessary to get their land back. The ONLY thing the palestinians are capable of controling is their own actions. Basically I'm saying that they should refrain all action that could possibly instigate a response by the Israeli's. This way, they would have the moral grounds for people to stand behind them.

As it is now though, I interpret hostile actions by Palestinians as a means to stir up support through the world media and propganda. Certainly when some agents from Hamas kidnap some Israeli's it's just like pissing into the wind. It is not going to change anything. Therefore, I think they are trying to call themselves "victims" to gain moral support. That's not going to win any support from someone like myself. If they were REAL victims, I think the world would recognize that and call Israel out. But as long as the Palestinians continue their half of the problem, Isreal will get away with their actions.

Collin

NCfan wrote:

If they were REAL victims, I think the world would recognize that and call Israel out.

Not if "the world" is the US.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

The world does call Israel out in the UN all time...the U.S. just vetos all the resolutions condemning Israel that's all.

Byrnzie

Saturnal wrote:

The world does call Israel out in the UN all time...the U.S. just vetos all the resolutions condemning Israel that's all.

True. The U.S has singlehandedly vetoed every single U.N resolution critical of Israel over the past 36 years, including every single U.N resolution calling for a two state solution.

Kann

NCfan wrote:

Call me crazy, but it's fairly obvious that Palestine is one of the poorest regions on Earth. Without subsidies from other countries, INCLUDING ISREAL, the "government" would collapse. In other words, the Palestinians do not have the international credibility, military power, man power or wealth that is necessary to get their land back.

The ONLY thing the palestinians are capable of controling is their own actions. Basically I'm saying that they should refrain all action that could possibly instigate a response by the Israeli's. This way, they would have the moral grounds for people to stand behind them.

As it is now though, I interpret hostile actions by Palestinians as a means to stir up support through the world media and propganda. Certainly when some agents from Hamas kidnap some Israeli's it's just like pissing into the wind. It is not going to change anything. Therefore, I think they are trying to call themselves "victims" to gain moral support. That's not going to win any support from someone like myself. If they were REAL victims, I think the world would recognize that and call Israel out. But as long as the Palestinians continue their half of the problem, Isreal will get away with their actions.

I'm not sure you really understand the situation in that region, and as a matter of fact I'm pretty sure you don't understand people (culture and actions) in the middle east.
As you pointed out Palestine has no wealth... at all. That not only means no military power, no man power and no international credibility it also means no freedoms, no food, no shelters, no schools and no medecine. As you also pointed out, Israel is a rich, successful and free country. Now people in this region feel Israel has been implanted on palestinian soil and not only do they find this unfair they also find the points mentioned earlier unfair.
You may think it is Palestine's fault the country is in bad shape, but I think their inhabitants do not agree on this and might even find that conclusion unfair.
I think palestinians honestly think their condition is unfair, that their prospects have been taken away from them. Mix that with little education, lots of poverty, religion and strong ideological movements and you have desperate actions. I don't know if you ever stopped and think what does actually go through the mind of a 20 year old suicide terrorist who would rather die than live like they do?
If anything, their actions are pissing in the wind but I doubt they really are looking for the opportunity to be seen as victims. They certainly are manipulated by strong (and rich) movements like the Hezbollah, but people over there are really desperate.

the face

NCfan wrote:

Then the Palestinians are at fault here. When I look at the situation, I don't see race or religion at all. If the roles were reversed, I would be supporting the Arab Muslims. Personally, I don't care for either religion. I care most about the country that supports human rights and civil liberties and religious freedom. In this case, that would be Israel. Like I said, if the tables were turned and Palestine were the democracy,then I would support Palestine.

Israel did not steal Palestine's wealth, ambition, traditions, goverment, etc. They took some of their land, and proceeded to shape an incredibly strong nation. So strong, in fact, that 350 million Arabs can't do a damn thing about 7 million Jews in "their" homeland.

Call me crazy, but it's fairly obvious that Palestine is one of the poorest regions on Earth. Without subsidies from other countries, INCLUDING ISREAL, the "government" would collapse. In other words, the Palestinians do not have the international credibility, military power, man power or wealth that is necessary to get their land back. The ONLY thing the palestinians are capable of controling is their own actions. Basically I'm saying that they should refrain all action that could possibly instigate a response by the Israeli's. This way, they would have the moral grounds for people to stand behind them.

As it is now though, I interpret hostile actions by Palestinians as a means to stir up support through the world media and propganda. Certainly when some agents from Hamas kidnap some Israeli's it's just like pissing into the wind. It is not going to change anything. Therefore, I think they are trying to call themselves "victims" to gain moral support. That's not going to win any support from someone like myself. If they were REAL victims, I think the world would recognize that and call Israel out. But as long as the Palestinians continue their half of the problem, Isreal will get away with their actions.

Perfectly said,,,,,,

the face

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo

the face

Im Jewish so Im not offended by the chachter; I think Sacha is a genius at bringing out out other people's latent anti - semitism

Byrnzie

the face wrote:

Im Jewish so Im not offended by the chachter; I think Sacha is a genius at bringing out out other people's latent anti - semitism

I think he could have just as easily sung a song about 'niggers down the well' and they would have reacted the same way. Some people, in certain parts of the world, just happen to be susceptible to this kind of thing. I wouldn't for a minute take from this that these people are particularly anti-semitic. I'd say they're just a bit ignorant.

the face

Byrnzie wrote:

I think he could have just as easily sung a song about 'niggers down the well' and they would have reacted the same way. Some people, in certain parts of the world, just happen to susceptible to this kind of thing. I wouldn't for a minute take from this that these people are particularly anti-semitic. I'd say they're just a bit ignorant.

its still scary. hows your new gig as the Hamas Press Secretary?

Byrnzie

the face wrote:

its still scary. hows your new gig as the Hamas Press Secretary?

Well, it's hard work but the perks aren't bad. I get a free balaclava and some black y-front underpants with the Hamas logo embroidered on the front.