So what Jlew is saying is that any and all problems in Iraq are being caused soley by the Iraqi's themselves and by foriegn elements who are hostile to the U.S. The Iraqis themselves would love to live like Americans do but they are unfortunatelty so backward that they are insisting on clinging onto some outdated religious hostilities. If, and when, the Iraqis can civilize themselves and stop killing each other, then the kind and benevolent U.S policeman can go back home to America,
solely?? no thats not what I'm saying. but for the most part this is true. what is wrong about this?
and the Iraqis will then be forever grateful that the U.S army invaded, ransacked, plundered and secured the country's oil fields, and triggered - and was directly involved in - the deaths of over 1 million people.
some will be grateful yes. and we've been over this. stop making up numbers of the amount dead.
Apparently not. Maybe spell it out in excruciating detail.
I think it goes something like the brown people must die, but I could be mistaken.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The 1.2 million figure is actually an underestimation.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/sep2007/orb-s15.shtml
'For security reasons, no interviews were conducted in Al Anbar or Karbala provinces, or in the province of Irbil, where Kurdish authorities refused to allow field interviews. Since Anbar and Karbala are among the bloodiest battlefields of the war, and Irbil among the quietest, the exclusion of the three provinces would more likely to lead to an underestimation of the death toll than an exaggeration.'
I already did spell it out in previous posts. and it requires zero loss of life.
and when did everyone become so racist around here?
Racist? I'm against killing people for resources and empire building...aka the Iraq debacle.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
'6. As an analyst myself I would like to know how reliable the method itself actually is.
Les Roberts and his colleagues claim to have used the same method to estimate deaths in Iraq as is used to estimate deaths in natural disasters. Is there any evidence that the method is accurate? By this I mean a comparison of the number actual deaths after a natural disaster with estimates of the number of deaths.
Rickard Loe, Stockholm, Sweden
LR: That is a good question. There is a little evidence of which I am aware. Note that the 2004 and 2006 studies found similar results for the pre- and initial post-invasion period which at least implies reproducibility. I led a 30 cluster mortality survey in Kalima in the DRC in 2001. The relief organization Merlin did a nutritional survey and measured mortality in the same area and with a recall period that covered part of our survey. Both were cluster surveys, Merlin used a different technique to select houses and we obtained statistically identical results. In a couple of refugee settings, cluster surveys have produced similar estimates to grave monitoring.
In 1999, in Katana Health Zone in the Congo, I led a mortality survey where we walked a grid over the health zone and interviewed 41 clusters of 5 houses at 1km. spacings. In that survey, we estimated that 1,600 children had died of measles in the preceding half year. A couple of weeks later we did a standard immunization coverage survey (30 clusters of 7 children but selected totally proportional to population) that asked about measles deaths and we found an identical result.
I suspect that Demographic Health Surveys or the UNICEF MICS surveys (which are both retrospective cluster mortality approaches) have been calibrated against census data but I do not know when or where.'
Please explain which part of what I said is, for the most part, true. I'm glued to my seat in anticipation.
-some, not all problems in Iraq are being caused by the Iraqi's themselves (hatred among sunnis/shittes)....and by foriegn elements who are hostile to the U.S
-hey are unfortunatelty backward that they are insisting on clinging onto some outdated religious hostilities.
-If, and when, the Iraqis can civilize themselves and stop killing each other, then the kind and benevolent U.S policeman can go back home to America
so am I. and I didnt even need to call them brown people.
So what do I call white or black people?
hmm...very confusing indeed.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
-some, not all problems in Iraq are being caused by the Iraqi's themselves (hatred among sunnis/shittes)....and by foriegn elements who are hostile to the U.S
-hey are unfortunatelty backward that they are insisting on clinging onto some outdated religious hostilities.
-If, and when, the Iraqis can civilize themselves and stop killing each other, then the kind and benevolent U.S policeman can go back home to America
I even left in your wonderful spelling skills.
O.k, so let's get this right.
1. It's foreign elements who are hostile to the U.S and not the Iraqis themselves - who actually like the U.S army occupying their country.
2. The Iraqis are a backward people and need to be educated in the ways of Americans.
3. The U.S is there on a peacemaking mission designed to help Iraqi people become civilised and more American in their outlook on life.
Please tell me If I've put any words in your mouth here.
O.k, so let's get this right.
1. It's foreign elements who are hostile to the U.S and not the Iraqis themselves - who actually like the U.S army occupying their country.
2. The Iraqis are a backward people and need to be educated in the ways of Americans.
3. The U.S is there on a peacemaking mission designed to help Iraqi people become civilised and more American in their outlook on life.
Please tell me If I've put any words in your mouth here.
what the fuck is with you steve. lets try to debate like adults? I cant even respond to this bullshit. grow up
Whilst we're on the subject of Iraqis needing to be educated and civilised...I wonder when we'll see the first set of golden arches in Baghdad? And I wonder if they'll have a 'freedom burger' on the menu?
Irish, Italian, canadian, african america, arab, etc
I guess you were just raised as a racist, its not your fault. or maybe it is but I dont fucking care.
What note is it that you're playing on that horn you keep toooting?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
zinnnnng your material has been off tonight. just sayin
Oh please your personal opinion private agenda posts are overwhelming.
but I'm still laughing like hell..hehe
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The foreign element is only about 10% of the insurgency according to the CIA.
Also about half of the foreign element is coming from Saudi Arabia, not Iran or Syria as this administration and the media would like for us to believe.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Also about half of the foreign element is coming from Saudi Arabia, not Iran or Syria as this administration and the media would like for us to believe.
did you see the movie The Kingdom? I saw it yesterday. sure it was just a movie, but I think it was accurate. lots of hate over there.
Wednesday's attack in Baquba appeared to target members of a local anti-al Qaeda Awakening Council -- who were among the casualties.
Awakening Councils are predominantly Sunni and are sometimes are composed of former militants. Many of them have been recruited by the U.S. military's "Concerned Local Citizen's Program" to work against al Qaeda in Iraq.
In recent weeks, al Qaeda in Iraq has launched an aggressive attack campaign against Awakening Councils.
The violence represents "perhaps one of the clearest indications of the importance that these Awakening movements and Concerned Local Citizens are having on improving the security situation," said Maj. Gen. Kevin Bergner, a U.S. military spokesman, according to the Associated Press.
"The fact that al Qaeda is targeting them is clearly an indication ... that they are concerned about it and that this grass roots movement has changed the dynamic and is perhaps the clearest evidence of Iraqi citizens rejecting Taliban ideology," Bergner told AP.
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solely?? no thats not what I'm saying. but for the most part this is true. what is wrong about this?
some will be grateful yes. and we've been over this. stop making up numbers of the amount dead.
Apparently not. Maybe spell it out in excruciating detail.
I think it goes something like the brown people must die, but I could be mistaken.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I'm not making up numbers. These figures come from respected and trusted institutions and are the most accurate figures available to us.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2170237,00.html
The 1.2 million figure is actually an underestimation.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/sep2007/orb-s15.shtml
'For security reasons, no interviews were conducted in Al Anbar or Karbala provinces, or in the province of Irbil, where Kurdish authorities refused to allow field interviews. Since Anbar and Karbala are among the bloodiest battlefields of the war, and Irbil among the quietest, the exclusion of the three provinces would more likely to lead to an underestimation of the death toll than an exaggeration.'
I already did spell it out in previous posts. and it requires zero loss of life.
and when did everyone become so racist around here?
stop with this bullshit already.
extrapolated from a sample of 1,461 adults = 1,200,000 dead. ??? no
Racist? I'm against killing people for resources and empire building...aka the Iraq debacle.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Please explain which part of what I said is, for the most part, true. I'm glued to my seat in anticipation.
so am I. and I didnt even need to call them brown people.
Please explain to me when you became an expert on statistical analysis?
Meanwhile...
LANCET REPORT CO-AUTHOR RESPONDS TO QUESTIONS
http://medialens.org/alerts/06/061031_lancet_co_author.php
'6. As an analyst myself I would like to know how reliable the method itself actually is.
Les Roberts and his colleagues claim to have used the same method to estimate deaths in Iraq as is used to estimate deaths in natural disasters. Is there any evidence that the method is accurate? By this I mean a comparison of the number actual deaths after a natural disaster with estimates of the number of deaths.
Rickard Loe, Stockholm, Sweden
LR: That is a good question. There is a little evidence of which I am aware. Note that the 2004 and 2006 studies found similar results for the pre- and initial post-invasion period which at least implies reproducibility. I led a 30 cluster mortality survey in Kalima in the DRC in 2001. The relief organization Merlin did a nutritional survey and measured mortality in the same area and with a recall period that covered part of our survey. Both were cluster surveys, Merlin used a different technique to select houses and we obtained statistically identical results. In a couple of refugee settings, cluster surveys have produced similar estimates to grave monitoring.
In 1999, in Katana Health Zone in the Congo, I led a mortality survey where we walked a grid over the health zone and interviewed 41 clusters of 5 houses at 1km. spacings. In that survey, we estimated that 1,600 children had died of measles in the preceding half year. A couple of weeks later we did a standard immunization coverage survey (30 clusters of 7 children but selected totally proportional to population) that asked about measles deaths and we found an identical result.
I suspect that Demographic Health Surveys or the UNICEF MICS surveys (which are both retrospective cluster mortality approaches) have been calibrated against census data but I do not know when or where.'
-some, not all problems in Iraq are being caused by the Iraqi's themselves (hatred among sunnis/shittes)....and by foriegn elements who are hostile to the U.S
-hey are unfortunatelty backward that they are insisting on clinging onto some outdated religious hostilities.
-If, and when, the Iraqis can civilize themselves and stop killing each other, then the kind and benevolent U.S policeman can go back home to America
I even left in your wonderful spelling skills.
So what do I call white or black people?
hmm...very confusing indeed.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
O.k, so let's get this right.
1. It's foreign elements who are hostile to the U.S and not the Iraqis themselves - who actually like the U.S army occupying their country.
2. The Iraqis are a backward people and need to be educated in the ways of Americans.
3. The U.S is there on a peacemaking mission designed to help Iraqi people become civilised and more American in their outlook on life.
Please tell me If I've put any words in your mouth here.
what the fuck is with you steve. lets try to debate like adults? I cant even respond to this bullshit. grow up
Irish, Italian, canadian, african america, arab, etc
I guess you were just raised as a racist, its not your fault. or maybe it is but I dont fucking care.
What note is it that you're playing on that horn you keep toooting?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
zinnnnng your material has been off tonight. just sayin
Oh please your personal opinion private agenda posts are overwhelming.
but I'm still laughing like hell..hehe
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
The foreign element is only about 10% of the insurgency according to the CIA.
Also about half of the foreign element is coming from Saudi Arabia, not Iran or Syria as this administration and the media would like for us to believe.
did you see the movie The Kingdom? I saw it yesterday. sure it was just a movie, but I think it was accurate. lots of hate over there.
Saudi Arabia is a fucking powder keg just waiting to blow. If you haven't read it yet pick up Robert Baer's Sleeping with the Devil.
not really no.
its alot of this recently...el queda deliberately targeting innocent Iraqis.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/01/02/iraq.main/index.html
Wednesday's attack in Baquba appeared to target members of a local anti-al Qaeda Awakening Council -- who were among the casualties.
Awakening Councils are predominantly Sunni and are sometimes are composed of former militants. Many of them have been recruited by the U.S. military's "Concerned Local Citizen's Program" to work against al Qaeda in Iraq.
In recent weeks, al Qaeda in Iraq has launched an aggressive attack campaign against Awakening Councils.
The violence represents "perhaps one of the clearest indications of the importance that these Awakening movements and Concerned Local Citizens are having on improving the security situation," said Maj. Gen. Kevin Bergner, a U.S. military spokesman, according to the Associated Press.
"The fact that al Qaeda is targeting them is clearly an indication ... that they are concerned about it and that this grass roots movement has changed the dynamic and is perhaps the clearest evidence of Iraqi citizens rejecting Taliban ideology," Bergner told AP.