Israel model for Iraq, says Bush

ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
edited July 2007 in A Moving Train
Thursday, 28 June 2007, 23:56 GMT 00:56 UK

Israel model for Iraq, says Bush


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6251982.stm

US President George W Bush has appealed for people to give his strategy in Iraq a chance - holding up Israel as a model for defining success there.

He said America would like to see Iraq function as a democracy while dealing with violence - just as Israel does.

Speaking at the US Naval War College, Mr Bush said success in Iraq would not be defined by an end to attacks.

His remarks come as members of his Republican party are increasingly turning against the war in Iraq.

The US president characterised the war in Iraq as primarily against al-Qaeda forces and their use of "headline-grabbing" suicide attacks and car bombings.

He said: "Our success in Iraq must not be measured by the enemy's ability to get a car bombing in the evening news."

The terms of success set out by Mr Bush included "the rise of a government that can protect its people, deliver basic services for all its citizens and function as a democracy even amid violence".

Mr Bush suggested Israel as a standard to work towards.

"In places like Israel, terrorists have taken innocent human life for years in suicide attacks.

"The difference is that Israel is a functioning democracy and it's not prevented from carrying out its responsibilities. And that's a good indicator of success that we're looking for in Iraq."

In December US President George W Bush announced the deployment of a total of 21,500 extra troops in Iraq.

In early March Defence Secretary Robert Gates approved a request for an extra 2,200 military police to support the security drive in Baghdad.

Mr Bush asked officials and the public for patience to allow his strategy to work, thus giving Iraq's leaders time to achieve political reconciliation.

"It's a well-conceived plan by smart military people. And we owe them the time, and we owe them the support they need to succeed," he said.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    clearly the man is delusional and needs to get back on his drug of choice ASAP. either that or cheney needs to take W quail shooting. :D
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    yeah bush is way wrong. iraq needs to be more like japan as was discussed earlier.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    sponger wrote:
    yeah bush is way wrong. iraq needs to be more like japan as was discussed earlier.

    on glenn beck the other night a guest suggested a shah type figure
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Mr Bush suggested Israel as a standard to work towards.

    This statement is almost impossible to digest. These cheap fucking swine holding up a brutal, and illegal occupation as the exemplar of a modern society.
    I hope that no one will be left in any more doubt as to the lengths these fucking money Nazis will go to support terrorism and injustice in the world.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    This statement is almost impossible to digest. These cheap fucking swine holding up a brutal, and illegal occupation as the exemplar of a modern society.
    I hope that no one will be left in any more doubt as to the lengths these fucking money Nazis will go to support terrorism and injustice in the world.

    shit steve, why don't you tell us what you really think. :D:p
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    I guess Bush should get the US military to start building a wall around Iraq to get it going it the right direction to keep the unwanted out and the wanted in.
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  • Byrnzie wrote:

    He said: "Our success in Iraq must not be measured by the enemy's ability to get a car bombing in the evening news."

    The terms of success set out by Mr Bush included "the rise of a government that can protect its people, deliver basic services for all its citizens and function as a democracy even amid violence".

    "In places like Israel, terrorists have taken innocent human life for years in suicide attacks.

    "The difference is that Israel is a functioning democracy and it's not prevented from carrying out its responsibilities. And that's a good indicator of success that we're looking for in Iraq."

    I definitely don't like Bush, but I kind of agree with these sentiments. It's interesting to me that you didn't highlight the quotes where he explains himself, just the general statements. I don't agree with those statements and at first glance I thought "more idiot statements from Bush", but then I read it again and read past the bold.

    I guess I don't think that Israel is the safest place, but that isn't the point that Bush is making. It doesn't seem that Bush is saying that Israel is a standard, but more of a realistic goal. In my opinion Bush needs to be more realistic instead of spouting out propaganda to boost American morale. Maybe he's realizing the American people have minds of their own. Probably wishful thinking...
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    I think Iraq should be more like Ireland.

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  • Let's make Iraq the practice run for Mars...first it needs to be barren and inhospitable. So far so good...
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    The only thing Iraq can/will have in common with Israel is that they will both be targets of terror. No more, no less.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    gue_barium wrote:
    I think Iraq should be more like Ireland.

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    That'll work... in theory.
    Now.... all we have to do is to figure out how to get everyone that's in Iraq... out of Iraq and replace them with Jewish folks.
    ...
    That sounds about par from the Bush Administration's Planning and Stratagies Department.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I kind of agree with these sentiments. It's interesting to me that you didn't highlight the quotes where he explains himself, just the general statements.


    "The difference is that Israel is a functioning democracy and it's not prevented from carrying out its responsibilities."

    So you regard this statement as reasonable? You regard this statement as Bush 'explaining himself'? Since when has Israel carried out it's responsibilities? Please explain this to me whilst keeping in mind that Israel is currently in breach of over 60 U.N resolutions.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Saddam Hussein would have made a cute leprechaun.

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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    why don't we just all agree that Iraq is nothing but Munchkin Land.

    And the Gaza Strip is Emerald City.

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  • dg1979usdg1979us Posts: 568
    Is he not to a degree right? As far as the daily citizens living in Israel are they not better off than many of the other ME countries? And I am not defending Israel's use of violence or their stance in regards to Palestine, but if you take that away is Israel not a society that functions in a manner much more proper manner with regards to their citizens than many of the countries surrounding them? I dont see Iraq getting to that point, but I at least can kind of understand where he is coming from.
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    At any rate, telling arabs that they should be more like jews has got to be the dumbest thing a person could do to inspire positive change.
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    gue_barium wrote:
    I think Iraq should be more like Ireland.


    Guinness would work wonders for them.
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