Is it time for Hillary to fuck off??
Byrnzie
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...errm..no...not quite yet.
Seriously, does this fucking bitch know no shame?
Very good article here...
No shame, no gain
On a night when Obama made history, Clinton's reaction was dangerously abrasive and selfish
Michael Tomasky
June 4, 2008 4:45 AM
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/michael_tomasky/2008/06/no_shame_no_gain.html
The lead story tonight - my "lede," as we spell it here - should have been about the remarkable fact that a black man has been nominated by a major party to lead a developed Western nation for the first time in the history of the world. A man - in whose lifetime people with his shade of skin were denied the right to vote and to use public accommodations - who is now on the cusp of the presidency. It says something good about America, and I would like to have been able to dwell on it.
But no. Once again, it's all about Hillary Clinton, who delivered the most abrasive, self-absorbed, selfish, delusional, emasculating and extortionate political speech I've heard in a long time. And I've left out some adjectives, just to be polite.
Here's an interesting point for you. Barack Obama's speech, which featured a long and gracious nod to Clinton toward the beginning, was posted on various websites as early as 8:10pm East coast time. That means that Clinton - who didn't start speaking until 9:31pm, noticeably missing her introductory cue - and her staff had more than an hour to read Obama's speech and see that he was going to be more than kind to her.
But Clinton, who did not post her speech in advance, gave Obama a much briefer and more perfunctory nod. She congratulated him on his well-run campaign, but not on his victory, which is historic and assured. She told her crowd that, though she is now defeated, she "will be making no decisions tonight." She urged her voters - naturally nudged up to 18 million, which exaggerates the matter by about a half a million votes - to visit her website and send her messages, a piece of demagoguery that merely ensures that a week hence, if she wants to, she'll be able to say, "more than 10 million of my supporters have written to encourage me to go on to Denver". And speaking of the convention city, when her audience began chanting its name, she did not of course try to stop them and say that a convention fight was not in the interest of party unity.
What's her game? It's this, I think. It's not merely to be vice president. Although apparently it is that. I take it she and Bill have decided that being Obama's vice-president for eight years is the most plausible path to the presidency. But she did not on Tuesday night merely try to make a case for herself as a good vice-presidential candidate. She held a rhetorical knife to Obama's throat and said, in not so many words: I'm still calling some shots, buddy. You offer me the vice-presidency, or I walk away. But she has also forced Obama into a situation whereby if he chooses her now, he looks weak. So that's the choice she is hoping to impose on the nominee: don't choose me, and Bill and I will subtly work to see that you lose; choose me, and look like a weakling who can't lead the party without the Clintons after all. Now that's putting the interests of the party first, isn't it?
Democrats had better understand what this means, and they'd better not kid themselves. With any person other than a Clinton, this whole thing would have been over in late February - that is, any other candidate who lost 11 primaries in a row and ran out of money would have been shamed out of the race at that point. Or if not then, after May 6 (North Carolina and Indiana), when it became obvious that she could not come within 100 delegates of Obama, no matter what happened with Florida and Michigan.
But the Clintons know no shame, and more importantly, there has been no referee who could end this game, no one who could say to a Clinton, "Enough now." Well, Democrats have to say it. Now. Enough.
I really wanted to write a happy piece tonight. I wanted to write about Obama's amazing victory and about Clinton's tenacity being finally tempered by an acceptance of reality - reality that she'd lost and reality that, while there are indeed good arguments for her being on the ticket, the person who won the nominee has the right to choose the running mate.
Obama, after a slowish start, ended up giving a good, fiery speech aimed at John McCain. And McCain's speech, though flat in delivery, laid out his themes reasonably well. A race between these two men will be a race between two people who - whatever you think of their politics - are presenting substantive cases to the country and asking the people to choose. That's going to be a good show. But someone has to send that sore loser on the sidelines off to the showers once and for all.'
Seriously, does this fucking bitch know no shame?
Very good article here...
No shame, no gain
On a night when Obama made history, Clinton's reaction was dangerously abrasive and selfish
Michael Tomasky
June 4, 2008 4:45 AM
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/michael_tomasky/2008/06/no_shame_no_gain.html
The lead story tonight - my "lede," as we spell it here - should have been about the remarkable fact that a black man has been nominated by a major party to lead a developed Western nation for the first time in the history of the world. A man - in whose lifetime people with his shade of skin were denied the right to vote and to use public accommodations - who is now on the cusp of the presidency. It says something good about America, and I would like to have been able to dwell on it.
But no. Once again, it's all about Hillary Clinton, who delivered the most abrasive, self-absorbed, selfish, delusional, emasculating and extortionate political speech I've heard in a long time. And I've left out some adjectives, just to be polite.
Here's an interesting point for you. Barack Obama's speech, which featured a long and gracious nod to Clinton toward the beginning, was posted on various websites as early as 8:10pm East coast time. That means that Clinton - who didn't start speaking until 9:31pm, noticeably missing her introductory cue - and her staff had more than an hour to read Obama's speech and see that he was going to be more than kind to her.
But Clinton, who did not post her speech in advance, gave Obama a much briefer and more perfunctory nod. She congratulated him on his well-run campaign, but not on his victory, which is historic and assured. She told her crowd that, though she is now defeated, she "will be making no decisions tonight." She urged her voters - naturally nudged up to 18 million, which exaggerates the matter by about a half a million votes - to visit her website and send her messages, a piece of demagoguery that merely ensures that a week hence, if she wants to, she'll be able to say, "more than 10 million of my supporters have written to encourage me to go on to Denver". And speaking of the convention city, when her audience began chanting its name, she did not of course try to stop them and say that a convention fight was not in the interest of party unity.
What's her game? It's this, I think. It's not merely to be vice president. Although apparently it is that. I take it she and Bill have decided that being Obama's vice-president for eight years is the most plausible path to the presidency. But she did not on Tuesday night merely try to make a case for herself as a good vice-presidential candidate. She held a rhetorical knife to Obama's throat and said, in not so many words: I'm still calling some shots, buddy. You offer me the vice-presidency, or I walk away. But she has also forced Obama into a situation whereby if he chooses her now, he looks weak. So that's the choice she is hoping to impose on the nominee: don't choose me, and Bill and I will subtly work to see that you lose; choose me, and look like a weakling who can't lead the party without the Clintons after all. Now that's putting the interests of the party first, isn't it?
Democrats had better understand what this means, and they'd better not kid themselves. With any person other than a Clinton, this whole thing would have been over in late February - that is, any other candidate who lost 11 primaries in a row and ran out of money would have been shamed out of the race at that point. Or if not then, after May 6 (North Carolina and Indiana), when it became obvious that she could not come within 100 delegates of Obama, no matter what happened with Florida and Michigan.
But the Clintons know no shame, and more importantly, there has been no referee who could end this game, no one who could say to a Clinton, "Enough now." Well, Democrats have to say it. Now. Enough.
I really wanted to write a happy piece tonight. I wanted to write about Obama's amazing victory and about Clinton's tenacity being finally tempered by an acceptance of reality - reality that she'd lost and reality that, while there are indeed good arguments for her being on the ticket, the person who won the nominee has the right to choose the running mate.
Obama, after a slowish start, ended up giving a good, fiery speech aimed at John McCain. And McCain's speech, though flat in delivery, laid out his themes reasonably well. A race between these two men will be a race between two people who - whatever you think of their politics - are presenting substantive cases to the country and asking the people to choose. That's going to be a good show. But someone has to send that sore loser on the sidelines off to the showers once and for all.'
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I don't see how either one of them can't landslide McCain.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Landslide? Have you seen the recent polls? It will be close...but if the Iraq continues to improve by November. Obama has no chance.
This election is there for the Dems to take. They can only lose it by beating themselves trying so hard to prove how republican lite they are...which is usually the case.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If the Iraq continues to improve? Yep, I reckon in a year or two we'll all be booking holidays to Iraq and drinking pina colada's on the Persian gulf.
Meanwhile..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7432587.stm
'21:49 GMT, Monday, 2 June 2008 22:49 UK
Nine killed by Mosul suicide bomb
Nine people have been killed by a suicide car bomb attack in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, police say.
Nearly 50 others were wounded by the blast, which targeted the provincial police headquarters in the city centre.
Four policemen were among those killed as an explosives-laden car exploded near a checkpoint outside the compound about 2000 local time, police said.
No group has claimed responsibility for the attack but Mosul is the last major urban stronghold of al-Qaeda in Iraq.
The US military and Iraqi troops launched an offensive to clear the city - 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad - of Sunni militants last month.
Washington says violence against its troops in Iraq is at a four-year low and believes al-Qaeda is on the defensive in the country.
But the US believes the group still retains the capability of instigating high-profile car bombs and suicide attacks in and around Mosul.'
Seriously.. Did we need 24 years of Clinton/Bush?
Yep, let's vote in Obama so we can change up the last name but keep the same shitty foreign and largely the same domestic policies!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I think I'd ride it out til the end too in fairness.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
yeah really improve by november he he he maybe 50yrs from now ....
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
I knew someone would pretend to be offended at my comment.
Looks like Obama may be in with a chance then...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24962128
3 GIs killed during small-arms attack in Iraq
Soldiers targeted in restive Sunni town; mass grave discovered elsewhere
8:13 a.m. ET June 4, 2008
BAGHDAD - Three American soldiers have been killed in a small-arms fire attack in northern Iraq, the U.S. military said on Wednesday.
A brief statement said the soldiers died Wednesday in Hawija, a restive Sunni Arab town about 150 miles north of Baghdad.
The soldiers' names are being withheld until their families are notified.
The deaths came as Iraqi villagers and soldiers unearthed at least 13 bodies from a shallow, dusty grave in farmland south of Baghdad. The U.S. military also said Wednesday it found another 10 bodies in a sewer shaft east of the capital.
Associated Press Television News footage showed Iraqi troops and civilians digging in dusty soil in a deserted agricultural area on the outskirts of Latifiyah, about 20 miles south of Baghdad. At least three severely decomposed bodies could be seen unearthed from side-by-side graves. One had a turban or bandage tied crudely around his head...
SHe's read the Prince too many times. Its like she worships that book. She will do whatever it takes to get what she wants
I was gonna use the words 'fucking cunt' but thought better of it after having just returned from a two week ban. Although I fully endorse your sentiments good Sir! The bitch needs to be tarred and feathered.
Read the original article I posted above. The fella seems to think he's put his finger on it.
Or maybe she's waiting for Obama to get bumped off?
She is waiting to strike a deal with Obama to be his VP. Technically she can keep up with this clusterfuck until the convention further damaging the Dems chance of winning the White House. She seems to only care about her career and not about what is best for her party or even for the general public.
i agree, she is being selfish and making herself look bad IMO. she should have announced her exit last night with some class. i doubt that obama will offer her the vp spot, but if he does, i will lose a lot of respect for him and his campaign. obviously, i will still vote for him tho, he is the only real choice.
To me it doesn't matter because I wasn't going to vote for Obama, but I have a funny feeling that he will pick her. She could really hurt him if she drags this circus until the convention. He needs this wrapped up quickly so he can focus on McCain. She could easily hold this over him in order to get the VP spot.
UGH, i hope not, i am tired of her mouth already!
i know it's wrong, but that soooo made me laugh!
that said, i cannot believe how low hillary has gone. i've said it before often enough, once upon a time i had the utmost respect for her. she IS an unbelievably intelligent woman, and i DO believe, before her all consuming greed to be president overtook her mind, she used to really want to HELP and improve this country. for a long time now, i have only seen her as selfish and divisive, two things we so do NOT need now, or ever really. while i don't believe it will happen, i do so hope and wish she will put her selfish desires aside and look at the bigger picture, and what will most benefit the COUTRY right now, and not simply her.
and i really don't think she should be VP. i think she has tarnished her character too much during this whole process, and thus will weigh obama down. if she had handled this whole campaign with more class and dignity, could've been a great ticket. right now, i think obama needs to choose someone else.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Are you feeling up to the task then?
what task is that, to be VP? haha. i don't think i exactly fit the mold for it.
i don't really know who he should choose, except NOT hillary! if she would've backed down awhile ago, behaved graciously, etc...perhaps i could see her on the ticket. although honestly, i think she has been a divisive character for far too long, so the dem ticket would be better off w/o her imo.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow