Obama vs. Clinton: Healthcare Debate

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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    hailhailkc wrote:

    this where you've been spending all the time you used to spend here? ;)

    the link is a joke, right?
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Any plan is going to reflect the interests of "special interests". That's the whole point of having a political plan. I find it funny that when a drug company gets some shitty legislation passed you hear the words "special interest" but when the poor get some shitty legislation passed you only hear the word "people".

    people don't have "special" interests. they have varying interests in varying topics. the ONLY interests drug companies have is profits from drugs. the poor are not so singular in their needs, so their interests cannot be defined as special.
    Hehe...then pay for all the healthcare you'd like! No one is telling you not to pay for someone else's healthcare.

    i can't afford it all. lucky for the poor, you can help me out :)
    Absolutely. Get rid of the FDA. Get rid of all the specific government mandates that define "doctor" or "healthcare provider" or "insurance company". Allow individuals and companies to compete to fit the varying demands of the market.

    this just, again, shifts the costs to the poor, who do not have the resources to expose quack doctors. it's like when coke started selling expired cans in the ghetto to hedge losses... they knew those people couldn't fight back. removing all accountability is not a solution.
    Yet as government has gotten more and more involved in healthcare over the last two generations, the hegemony has accelerated and the entire thesis of both these plans is to establish a new level of hegemony and monopoly. Your logic does not hold up.

    the stock market crash post-1920's called. they said lasseiz-faire didn't work.
    Absolutely! Then start a government plan that you and anyone who thinks like you may contribute to.

    that's not how democracy works dude. we're all in this together. majority rules. you don't like it, buy your own island somewhere.
  • that's not how democracy works dude. we're all in this together. majority rules..

    We don't have a democracy.
    We have a Constitutional Republic, which was set up by our founding fathers with the explicit intention of PREVENTING "mob rule", or as you say, "majority rule".
    Or as they said... "the wants of the many trampling the rights of the few."

    ;)
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • people don't have "special" interests. they have varying interests in varying topics. the ONLY interests drug companies have is profits from drugs. the poor are not so singular in their needs, so their interests cannot be defined as special.

    Hehe...so "varying interests" are not special interests? Certainly drug companies have an interest in profit. Patients, in this context, have an interest in health. Both are "varying interests" and both are special interests.
    i can't afford it all. lucky for the poor, you can help me out :)

    Lucky for the poor you're going to force me. Please don't fool yourself into believing it is "help".
    this just, again, shifts the costs to the poor, who do not have the resources to expose quack doctors. it's like when coke started selling expired cans in the ghetto to hedge losses... they knew those people couldn't fight back. removing all accountability is not a solution.

    Removing all accountability??? You already identified the accountability above: profit from willing purchasers to willing sellers. Systems of force remove all accountability. If I'm forced to buy your product at your chosen rate, what accountability is there?
    the stock market crash post-1920's called. they said lasseiz-faire didn't work.

    Huh? You think the 1920's were "lasseiz-faire"???

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression#Causes

    You should remind yourself that severe governmental control of the economy began in earnest in 1863 which, if you're keeping track, predates "post-1920s".
    that's not how democracy works dude. we're all in this together. majority rules. you don't like it, buy your own island somewhere.

    I can just throw that right back at you. If you don't like the current health care system, too bad. I mean, "we're all in this together". If you don't like it, buy your own island somewhere.
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