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  • http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,942310,00.html


    Atleast try and get the fucking kids outta there.
  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,942310,00.html


    Atleast try and get the fucking kids outta there.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1446003.stm

    ............A new generation of children, Palestinian boys aged between 12 and 15 years old, is growing up amid conflict and violence. ..............
    Mohammed, a 14-year-old boy, draws himself with explosives strapped to his body, ready to blow himself to pieces if it means killing Jews.

    "Yes," he says, when asked if he wants to be a suicide bomber. "I want to liberate Palestine and be part of the revolution." The boys are told that it is good to kill and good to die. The boys are shown pictures of those who have already died in the conflict with Israel.

    http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/11/c92d1650-281e-4bea-8571-7b7079e0a43e.html

    "it appears that a boy carried out a suicide bombing in the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk. The use of children as combatants is not uncommon, but this may be the first case of a youthful suicide bomber in the Iraq conflict.


    Washington, 2 November 2005 (RFE/RL) -- The reports from Kirkuk are sketchy, but two accounts say a child wearing a belt with explosives carried out the attack near the car of Brigadier Khattab Iris Abdullah, the city's police commander.

    Abdullah is reported to have been seriously wounded. The attacker -- in one report described as 13 years old -- was killed.

    If these reports are accurate, it appears to be the first instance of so young a suicide bomber in the Iraq war, according to Jo Becker, the advocacy director for the Children's Rights Division of Human Rights Watch (HRW). "We know that as the war has progressed, there are more and more children who have become involved with the insurgent forces," she said. "I haven't heard of other suicide attacks by kids, but I can't be 100 percent certain."

    http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117930696.html?categoryid=31&cs=1

    "One of the few agents based in Lebanon to escape the 1983 attack by a suicide bomber on the American Embassy, Baer took it as his mission to find out who was responsible and why. He traces the origins of such bombings to Iran, to a 13-year-old soldier who sacrificed himself to blow up a tank. Baer subsequently points to the Ayatollah Khomeini as the man who provided the idea for the cult. By reimagining the Iran-Iraq War as a re-enactment of an ancient religious massacre that consecrated its Shiite victims as holy martyrs headed to paradise, Khomeini gave soldiers a reason to go into battle welcoming death."
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  • Puck78Puck78 Posts: 737
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1446003.stm

    ............A new generation of children, Palestinian boys aged between 12 and 15 years old, is growing up amid conflict and violence. ..............
    Mohammed, a 14-year-old boy, draws himself with explosives strapped to his body, ready to blow himself to pieces if it means killing Jews.

    "Yes," he says, when asked if he wants to be a suicide bomber. "I want to liberate Palestine and be part of the revolution." The boys are told that it is good to kill and good to die. The boys are shown pictures of those who have already died in the conflict with Israel.

    http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/11/c92d1650-281e-4bea-8571-7b7079e0a43e.html

    "it appears that a boy carried out a suicide bombing in the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk. The use of children as combatants is not uncommon, but this may be the first case of a youthful suicide bomber in the Iraq conflict.


    Washington, 2 November 2005 (RFE/RL) -- The reports from Kirkuk are sketchy, but two accounts say a child wearing a belt with explosives carried out the attack near the car of Brigadier Khattab Iris Abdullah, the city's police commander.

    Abdullah is reported to have been seriously wounded. The attacker -- in one report described as 13 years old -- was killed.

    If these reports are accurate, it appears to be the first instance of so young a suicide bomber in the Iraq war, according to Jo Becker, the advocacy director for the Children's Rights Division of Human Rights Watch (HRW). "We know that as the war has progressed, there are more and more children who have become involved with the insurgent forces," she said. "I haven't heard of other suicide attacks by kids, but I can't be 100 percent certain."

    http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117930696.html?categoryid=31&cs=1

    "One of the few agents based in Lebanon to escape the 1983 attack by a suicide bomber on the American Embassy, Baer took it as his mission to find out who was responsible and why. He traces the origins of such bombings to Iran, to a 13-year-old soldier who sacrificed himself to blow up a tank. Baer subsequently points to the Ayatollah Khomeini as the man who provided the idea for the cult. By reimagining the Iran-Iraq War as a re-enactment of an ancient religious massacre that consecrated its Shiite victims as holy martyrs headed to paradise, Khomeini gave soldiers a reason to go into battle welcoming death."
    how does this fit with the discussion about Guantanamo? we well stated that if people are guilty they must be processed. What we are arguing for is that those people are locked there for more than 4 years without a trial, and being tortured.
    Your post doesn't fit at all with the conversation: if a teenager is involved into attacks he can be arrested under minor laws, and have a trial for that, not been kept and tortured in a limbo for such a long time...
    www.amnesty.org
    www.amnesty.org.uk
  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Puck78 wrote:
    how does this fit with the discussion about Guantanamo? we well stated that if people are guilty they must be processed. What we are arguing for is that those people are locked there for more than 4 years without a trial, and being tortured.
    Your post doesn't fit at all with the conversation: if a teenager is involved into attacks he can be arrested under minor laws, and have a trial for that, not been kept and tortured in a limbo for such a long time...

    did you read the post above mine? Calling for the release of innocent children? Or do you just search for my posts and automatically disagree?
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  • Puck78Puck78 Posts: 737
    did you read the post above mine? Calling for the release of innocent children? Or do you just search for my posts and automatically disagree?
    he was referring to children closed in guantanamo, not to children in palestine or in iraq and caught in their acts. Did YOU read it?
    (notice your sentence "release of innocent children": if they're innocent let's leave them there, right?)
    www.amnesty.org
    www.amnesty.org.uk
  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Puck78 wrote:
    he was referring to children closed in guantanamo, not to children in palestine or in iraq and caught in their acts. Did YOU read it?
    (notice your sentence "release of innocent children": if they're innocent let's leave them there, right?)
    I believe that my point was, as you well know, that many of the "innocent" kids being held, are most likely no more innocent than Osama himself. Whatever wacko islamic country they hail from, their children are and have been raised to be soldiers. Against us. You know, that damn martyrdom thing. Ill shed not one tear for them. They would dance in the streets if their wishes came true.
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  • Puck78Puck78 Posts: 737
    I believe that my point was, as you well know, that many of the "innocent" kids being held, are most likely no more innocent than Osama himself. Whatever wacko islamic country they hail from, their children are and have been raised to be soldiers. Against us. You know, that damn martyrdom thing. Ill shed not one tear for them. They would dance in the streets if their wishes came true.
    you're wrong. Those children guilty for having committed something are jailed for that. They are not left for all that time in that torture limbo called guantanamo.

    PS: in the USA and other western countries people don't literally dance in the streets, but they approve happily wars like the one in Iraq. In that way they "dance" over the civilians killed in such wars...
    www.amnesty.org
    www.amnesty.org.uk
  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Puck78 wrote:
    you're wrong. Those children guilty for having committed something are jailed for that. They are not left for all that time in that torture limbo called guantanamo.

    PS: in the USA and other western countries people don't literally dance in the streets, but they approve happily wars like the one in Iraq. In that way they "dance" over the civilians killed in such wars...


    Okay..............next report of a dead islamic radical I hear, I'm dancing a jig.
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