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Bush curses Hezbollah during G8 luncheon

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edited July 2006 in A Moving Train
ST. PETERSBURG, Russia - It wasn't meant to be overheard. Private luncheon conversations among world leaders, picked up by a microphone, provided a rare window into both banter and substance — including President Bush cursing Hezbollah's attacks against Israel.

Bush expressed his frustration with the United Nations and his disgust with the militant Islamic group and its backers in Syria as he talked to British Prime Minister Tony Blair during the closing lunch at the Group of Eight summit.

"See the irony is that what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit and it's over," Bush told Blair as he chewed on a buttered roll.

He told Blair he felt like telling U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who visited the gathered leaders, to get on the phone with Syrian President Bashar Assad to "make something happen." He suggested Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice might visit the region soon.

The unscripted comments came during a photo opportunity at the lunch. The leaders clearly did not realize that a live microphone was picking up their discussion.

Bush also spoke to other leaders, and his unscripted comments ranged from the serious topic of escalating violence in the Mideast to light banter about his preference for Diet Coke and a gift he received from another leader.

Blair, whose remarks were not as clearly heard, appeared to be pressing Bush about the importance of getting international peacekeepers into the region.

As he chats with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Bush expresses amazement that it will take Putin and an unidentified leader just as long to fly home to Moscow as it will take him to fly back to Washington. Putin's reply could not be heard.

"You eight hours? Me too. Russia's a big country and you're a big country. Takes him eight hours to fly home. Not Coke, diet Coke. ... Russia's big and so is China. Yo Blair, what're you doing? Are you leaving," Bush said.

Bush thanked Blair for a gift of a sweater and joked that he knew Blair had picked it out personally. "Absolutely," Blair responded, with a laugh.

Bush, a stickler for keeping to his schedule, could also be heard telling Putin, "We've got to keep this thing moving. I have to leave at 2:15. They want me out of town so to free up your security forces."

Bush also remarked that some of the speakers at the meeting had the tendency to talk too long.

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    MLC2006MLC2006 Posts: 861
    and he is 100% right, Syria DOES need to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit. I guess even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in awhile.
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    it sounds like they are cursing their actions, not them.

    big difference there.
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    Puck78Puck78 Posts: 737
    MLC2006 wrote:
    and he is 100% right, Syria DOES need to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit. I guess even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in awhile.
    well, if you read the article in itself, it is not about the message but about the classic non-diplomatic ways of talking of bush...
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    Puck78 wrote:
    well, if you read the article in itself, it is not about the message but about the classic non-diplomatic ways of talking of bush...

    A. The thread title is "bush curses Hezbollah... so its misleading.

    B. It was a private conversation between 2 guys- regardless of their positions- that seem to be fairly friendly with each other. If it was a speech or an official conversation, you'd be right. Its 2 people sitting at a lunch talking among themselves. Saying the word "shit" is hardly newsworthy.
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    barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    A. The thread title is "bush curses Hezbollah... so its misleading.

    B. It was a private conversation between 2 guys- regardless of their positions- that seem to be fairly friendly with each other. If it was a speech or an official conversation, you'd be right. Its 2 people sitting at a lunch talking among themselves. Saying the word "shit" is hardly newsworthy.

    I actually got a kick out of this article. "Yo Blair, what're you doing?"
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    baraka wrote:
    I actually got a kick out of this article. "Yo Blair, what're you doing?"


    I can see the side that he needs to be more proffesional in his speechs and radio address's etc, but i have no problem with the fact that he is a "normal guy" when talking to his friends and such.
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    soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,208
    actions speak louder than words. bush's abominable lack of diplomacy is a result of poor policy decisions and public addresses with crap like "bring it on." it has nothing to do with him chatting with other world leaders and saying terrorist groups need to cut this shit out. honestly, that's the first thing bush has said in years that i agree with.
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    SoonForgotten2SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    Puck78 wrote:
    ST. PETERSBURG, Russia - It wasn't meant to be overheard. Private luncheon conversations among world leaders, picked up by a microphone, provided a rare window into both banter and substance — including President Bush cursing Hezbollah's attacks against Israel.

    Bush expressed his frustration with the United Nations and his disgust with the militant Islamic group and its backers in Syria as he talked to British Prime Minister Tony Blair during the closing lunch at the Group of Eight summit.

    "See the irony is that what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit and it's over," Bush told Blair as he chewed on a buttered roll the adding, "It's like rain on your wedding day, or a free ride when you've already paid. Ain't that right Tony-boy?"

    He told Blair he felt like telling U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who visited the gathered leaders, to get on the phone with Syrian President Bashar Assad to "make something happen." He suggested Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice might visit the region soon. "Let me tell you, she is a first rate bitch. Gets things done."

    The unscripted comments came during a photo opportunity at the lunch. The leaders clearly did not realize that a live microphone was picking up their discussion.

    Bush also spoke to other leaders, and his unscripted comments ranged from the serious topic of escalating violence in the Mideast to light banter about his preference for Diet Coke and a gift he received from another leader.

    Blair, whose remarks were not as clearly heard, appeared to be pressing Bush about the importance of getting international peacekeepers into the region.

    As he chats with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Bush expresses amazement that it will take Putin and an unidentified leader just as long to fly home to Moscow as it will take him to fly back to Washington. Putin's reply could not be heard.

    "You eight hours? Me too. Russia's a big country and you're a big country. Takes him eight hours to fly home. Not Coke, diet Coke- and mentos, ha ha ha. ... Russia's big and so is China. Yo Blair, what're you doing? Are you leaving? Did I tell you you could go?" Bush said.

    Bush thanked Blair for a gift of a sweater and joked that he knew Blair had picked it out personally. "Absolutely," Blair responded, with a laugh.

    Bush, a stickler for keeping to his schedule, could also be heard telling Putin, "We've got to keep this thing moving. I have to leave at 2:15. They want me out of town so to free up your security forces."

    Bush also remarked that some of the speakers at the meeting had the tendency to talk too long though it gave him a good chance to try out his new laser pen.

    AP

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    Puck78Puck78 Posts: 737
    A. The thread title is "bush curses Hezbollah... so its misleading.

    B. It was a private conversation between 2 guys- regardless of their positions- that seem to be fairly friendly with each other. If it was a speech or an official conversation, you'd be right. Its 2 people sitting at a lunch talking among themselves. Saying the word "shit" is hardly newsworthy.
    A. sorry, i reported the AP original title
    B. aren't we getting used to bush mistakes of using wrong terms? how can we hope for diplomacy between syria and usa (condolleezza will visit syria soon) if bush is caught in saying those things?
    C. a bit of sense of humor, please... that's what this topic was about...
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    barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    I can see the side that he needs to be more proffesional in his speechs and radio address's etc, but i have no problem with the fact that he is a "normal guy" when talking to his friends and such.

    Not that Bush succeeds at that 'professional' thing in his public speaking, but i agree, it's ok for him to be a 'normal' guy in private. I'm sure he's the life of the party. ;) "We've got to keep this thing moving. I have to leave at 2:15. They want me out of town so to free up your security forces." The article was probably a waste of time, but entertaining nonetheless!
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    Puck78 wrote:
    A. sorry, i reported the AP original title
    B. aren't we getting used to bush mistakes of using wrong terms? how can we hope for diplomacy between syria and usa (condolleezza will visit syria soon) if bush is caught in saying those things?
    C. a bit of sense of humor, please... that's what this topic was about...


    You may have intended it as humor... but the AP didnt. The fact this was reported, especially with the misleading headline, indicates they felt this had some sort of relevance as news... which it obviously does not.

    and yes bush is not a good speaker and butchers the language, but saying "shit" to a friend of his is hardly an indication either way of his leadership abilities- regardless of how good or bad someone thinks they are.
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    Puck78Puck78 Posts: 737
    and yes bush is not a good speaker and butchers the language, but saying "shit" to a friend of his is hardly an indication either way of his leadership abilities- regardless of how good or bad someone thinks they are.
    but to say "We've got to keep this thing moving. I have to leave at 2:15. They want me out of town so to free up your security forces." in the middle of the G8, where you could discuss really important things (see the israel/lebanon crisis, but a lot of others) seems to me not a wise idea...

    Also: yes, the article was clearly reported by AP with humor, else they wouldn't have reported all the other strange things that he said...
    Just for you to know: i've seen that the article is quoted in the italian online newspapers (i read them, being italian) with humor :)
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    ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    MLC2006 wrote:
    and he is 100% right, Syria DOES need to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit. I guess even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in awhile.

    Right, so 137 Lebanese - mostly civilians - have been killed in the Israeli bombardment, compared with 12 Israeli's, and you say that "..Syria DOES need to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit." Interesting.
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    thankyougrandmathankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    They must disarm Hezbollah AND Israel...
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    ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    They must disarm Hezbollah AND Israel...

    True. Or send in peacekeepers. Although the U.N has been requesting this for years and the U.S blocks it every time.
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    keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    A. The thread title is "bush curses Hezbollah... so its misleading.

    B. It was a private conversation between 2 guys- regardless of their positions- that seem to be fairly friendly with each other. If it was a speech or an official conversation, you'd be right. Its 2 people sitting at a lunch talking among themselves. Saying the word "shit" is hardly newsworthy.

    Exactly... I'm not a fan of the president, but who cares?
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    know1know1 Posts: 6,763
    I'm confused by the thread title. Bush didn't curse Hezbollah.
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    MLC2006MLC2006 Posts: 861
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Right, so 137 Lebanese - mostly civilians - have been killed in the Israeli bombardment, compared with 12 Israeli's, and you say that "..Syria DOES need to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit." Interesting.

    In a conflict that Hezbollah started. who said the death tolls are supposed to be equal in such a conflict. Israel laid out clearly what had to be done to ignore this, and Hezbollah did not comply. what's so 'interesting' about my comments there?
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    rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,917
    MLC2006 wrote:
    and he is 100% right, Syria DOES need to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit. I guess even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in awhile.

    Exactly ... For once, Bush has hit the nail on the head. Broken clocks are right twice a day, and all that.
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    John BudgeJohn Budge Posts: 260
    Who gives a shit? LOL
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    LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Right, so 137 Lebanese - mostly civilians - have been killed in the Israeli bombardment, compared with 12 Israeli's, and you say that "..Syria DOES need to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit." Interesting.
    1 death, 20 deaths, a million deaths.. either way you look at it, this SHIT needs to stop. I'm not a Bush supporter, but he said nothing crazy.
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    Byrnzie wrote:
    Right, so 137 Lebanese - mostly civilians - have been killed in the Israeli bombardment, compared with 12 Israeli's, and you say that "..Syria DOES need to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit." Interesting.

    If Hezbollah hadn't captured those soldiers Israel wouldn't be forced to attack them, and 137 innocent people wouldn't be dead. What's really interesting is the lack of blame placed on Hezbollah for starting this conflict, and the unwarranted blame on Israel for defending itself.
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    thankyougrandmathankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    If Hezbollah hadn't captured those soldiers Israel wouldn't be forced to attack them, and 137 innocent people wouldn't be dead. What's really interesting is the lack of blame placed on Hezbollah for starting this conflict, and the unwarranted blame on Israel for defending itself.

    I blame Hezbollah for kidnapping the two soldiers and now for launching rockets in Israel. Now i'm waiting for a justification of Israel civillians killing, you're not destroying terrorist org. by giving them more potential recruit... bah we've discuss this already, but that thing about "you condemn Israel but not Hezbollah" won't get you anywhere, specially if you keep saying that everything Israel did in these events were justified and measured, you're just doing exactly what you don't want others to do, but on the opposite side...
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    DCGARDENDCGARDEN Posts: 515
    This was very funny. The fact that he was saying this to Blair while chowing on a fucking Bagel is priceless. We don't get to hear enough of these types of conversations
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    ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    If Hezbollah hadn't captured those soldiers Israel wouldn't be forced to attack them, and 137 innocent people wouldn't be dead. What's really interesting is the lack of blame placed on Hezbollah for starting this conflict, and the unwarranted blame on Israel for defending itself.

    Right. And "Under the pretext of forcing the release of a single soldier "kidnapped by terrorists" (or, if you prefer, "captured by the resistance"), Israel has done the following: seized members of a democratically elected government; bombed its interior ministry, the prime minister's offices, and a school; threatened another sovereign state (Syria) with a menacing overflight; dropped leaflets from the air, warning of harm to the civilian population if it does not "follow all orders of the IDF" (Israel Defense Forces); loosed nocturnal "sound bombs" under orders from the Israeli prime minister to "make sure no one sleeps at night in Gaza"; fired missiles into residential areas, killing children; and demolished a power station that was the sole generator of electricity and running water for hundreds of thousands of Gazans."

    Do you honestly think that there was no pretext on the part of Israel before the kidnapping of their soldiers by Hizbollah? The Hixbollah guerillas were reacting to the above in a show of solidarity. This recent conflict did not occur out of a vacuum. There was a pretext.

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    Bush lets a swear word slip out, big deal. He's not the first (or last) president of a country to do that. Face it, you libs hate Bush and everything he stands for. You'll find any opportunity to tar and feather him...
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    ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Bush lets a swear word slip out, big deal. He's not the first (or last) president of a country to do that. Face it, you libs hate Bush and everything he stands for. You'll find any opportunity to tar and feather him...

    I'd love to tar and feather you, although I suspect you already resemble a chicken.
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    OneLoveOneLove Posts: 563
    Thanks for the article. I saw the clip today on the news. All I could do is roll my eyes. Do I think its a big deal? No, not really.

    Do I wish my president would learn to chew with his mouth closed, and be aware that the G8 summit is not a frat party? Yes, but there are other more pressing concerns I have about the guy.
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    Byrnzie wrote:
    Right. And "Under the pretext of forcing the release of a single soldier "kidnapped by terrorists" (or, if you prefer, "captured by the resistance"), Israel has done the following: seized members of a democratically elected government; bombed its interior ministry, the prime minister's offices, and a school; threatened another sovereign state (Syria) with a menacing overflight; dropped leaflets from the air, warning of harm to the civilian population if it does not "follow all orders of the IDF" (Israel Defense Forces); loosed nocturnal "sound bombs" under orders from the Israeli prime minister to "make sure no one sleeps at night in Gaza"; fired missiles into residential areas, killing children; and demolished a power station that was the sole generator of electricity and running water for hundreds of thousands of Gazans."

    Do you honestly think that there was no pretext on the part of Israel before the kidnapping of their soldiers by Hizbollah? The Hixbollah guerillas were reacting to the above in a show of solidarity. This recent conflict did not occur out of a vacuum. There was a pretext.

    http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=107&ItemID=10555

    Thank you for that lovely article. With a little time, which I don't have while at work, I could find a nice long list of violent and horrible acts against Israelis by Hamas and Hezbollah. This, (this being the key word) conflict was started by Hezbollah when they took those soldiers, you can and I'm sure will continue to insist that it started with all the things that Israel has done in the past and continue to ignore what really started this current fighting.

    I think the pretext for the current Lebanon Israeli fighting is Hezbollah, being the rats that they are, saw an opening while Israel was preoccupied with their missing soldier and decide to take a shot, that has cost 137 innocent civilians their lives. Congratulations Hezbollah your "act of solidarity" has cost 137 deaths, praise be to Allah.
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    Riot_RainRiot_Rain Posts: 348
    It's always interesting to hear what the leaders of the world say when they think no-one can hear.

    It's also interesting to hear how they try to address very serious international matters in a relaxed way.

    I don't agree with people who say this is just friends chatting. In my opinion even lunches, breaks and other pleasant off-the-record-situations are very much about politics. You can't have the president of the US talking to the PM of the UK without things to be read between the lines or even power struggles to be fought (apparently slapping someone's back is saying "I'm superior to you!").

    I can't say I'm very impressed by the diplomacy in the clip we've seen (or read the transcript), but hey, that just me being disillusioned. Blair sounds very nervous trying to get his point across (Peace keepers! Now!). Bush doesn't seem to be quite as bothered. No rights and wrongs there, it's just not what I'd always imagined. But what is? ;)
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